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SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN: Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am fully aware of the revelations made by the Comptroller and Auditor General. Of course, there are complaints from some other sources also about the functioning of the National Disaster Management Authority. The Government of India has decided to constitute a Task Force to inquire into the affairs of the National Disaster Management Authority. We are reviewing it. My information is that the Government of India has received the Report; and we are examining it.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Thank you. आप दूसरा प्रश्न पूछिए।

Q.No.121 – (contd.)

श्रीमती कुसुम राय : सर, आपने जो जवाब दिया है, वह एक रटा-रटाया जवाब है। पर्यावरण मंत्रालय ने पहले से ही उत्तराखंड में तबाही की सम्भावना व्यक्त कर दी थी, परन्तु प्रधान मंत्री जी की अध्यक्षता वाली तीन भारी-भरकम आपदा समितियाँ सिर्फ सफेद हाथी बनी रहीं। इन समितियों द्वारा कोई कदम नहीं उठाया गया। प्राकृतिक आपदा के साथ-साथ, जो केदारनाथ धाम है, वह एक आस्था का केन्द्र भी है। यह बहुत सारे लोगों की आस्था का केन्द्र है। क्या आप भविष्य में ऐसा कोई कदम उठाएँगे, जैसे अमरनाथ यात्रा का श्राइन बोर्ड बना हुआ है, जिसमें हम वहाँ थोड़े-थोड़े लोगों को भेजेंगे और थोड़े-थोड़े लोगों को वहाँ जाने से रोकेंगे, ऐसी कैम्पिंग करेंगे, ताकि आगे वहाँ पर कोई लोड भी न हो सके और कोई ऐसी व्यवस्था हो सके कि हम आपदा से भी बच सकें? मैं आपसे यह जानना चाहती हूँ कि आपने केदारनाथ की यात्रा के लिए, जो हमारी आस्था का केन्द्र है, कोई ठोस कदम उठाया है या नहीं?

(1के/आरजी पर आगे)

-KR/RG/SCH/11.45/1K



SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN : Sir, it is not correct to say that the Government of India had not taken any steps immediately after the outbreak of that ghastly disaster. The Government of India, promptly, mobilized all Central Ministries and

Q.No.121 – (contd.)

Agencies. Not only that, the National Disaster Response Force was also asked to go over there. So also, the Indian Air Force, the Army, the Indo Tibetan Border Security Force, Border Roads Organisation, Armed Forces Medical Services and all other Government agencies were pressed into service immediately after that. Also, Sir, when the ghastly incident occurred over there, the State Government, after getting information from the Indian Meteorological Department, alerted all the agencies to be on their toes, and they did their maximum to see to it that relief and rescue operations were done in an excellent manner.



SHRI SHANTARAM NAIK: Sir, I would like to know whether there was any forecast with respect to cloud burst in the Uttarakhand region or whether there was a forecast of only heavy rains.

SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN: Sir, according to information given by the Indian Meteorological Department, they had issued general warnings of very heavy rains and thunder showers at isolated places on 15th and 16th of June, 2013, in the State of Uttarakhand. The warning was of a general nature. The

Q.No.121 – (contd.)

Meteorological Centre at Dehradun had specified the areas of heavy rainfall in the Char Dham and issued advisories to the State Government as well as to other Government Departments.



श्री रामविलास पासवान: सभापति जी, मैं आपके माध्यम से सरकार से यह जानना चाहूंगा, सरकार ने अभी पेरामिलिट्री फोर्सिज़ और आर्मी का जिक्र किया। उनके द्वारा जो राहत कार्य हुए, उसके लिए आम लोगों ने कहा कि भगवान को तो किसी ने नहीं देखा है, लेकिन भगवान के रूप में हमने सेना को देखा है। वहां पर सेना के 20 जवान शहीद हुए। क्या सरकार उन 20 शहीद जवानों को परमवीर चक्र प्रदान करेगी? यदि यह आपके कार्यक्षेत्र के अंतर्गत नहीं आता तो आप रक्षा मंत्रालय से कहिए कि वह उन्हें परमवीर चक्र प्रदान करे।

जब कोई खेल में जीत कर आता है, तब तो हम उन्हें 1 करोड़ रुपए देते हैं, लेकिन हमारे लाखों लोगों को बचाने में जो लोग मरे हैं, उनके परिवार वालों को भी कम से कम 1 करोड़ रुपए मुआवजे़ के रूप में आप दें।



SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN: Sir, I have taken note of the points made by the hon. Member. The other day, when he was participating in a discussion on the Uttarakhand Disaster, he made this point during that occasion as well. Sir, we all know that the personnel of the Indian Air Force, the Indo Tibetan Border Security

Q.No.121 – (contd.)

Force and the NDRF lost their valuable lives while they were trying to rescue the precious lives of ordinary people who were stranded there. Of course, they should be rewarded. As per the guidelines of the Government of India, we will examine it and we will, definitely, do something about it.



SHRI D. BANDYOPADHYAY: Sir, I rise to say, with great delight, that we are prepared for any disaster including chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear events. But, Sir, when the Fukushima disaster took place, even a country like Japan could not handle it properly. In a nuclear plant, anything can happen at any time. Are we really prepared to tackle such a nuclear disaster?

SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN: Sir, this is a very serious question and the whole country has expressed its concern about such ghastly incidents in the event of a nuclear disaster. Of course, even a country like Japan was not able to do much about it when such a disaster took place there. But our hon. Prime Minister has taken special interest in such matters, and he had several rounds of discussions with scientists about impending dangers out of such a

Q.No.121 – (contd.)

nuclear holocaust, or, what is called, nuclear explosion. Definitely, it is a very serious issue and the Government of India is pondering over the matter.



MR. CHAIRMAN: Now, we move on to the next question.

श्रीमती बिमला कश्यप सूद: सर, मैं भी इस विषय पर प्रश्न पूछना चाहती हूं।

MR. CHAIRMAN: I cannot allow more than three supplementaries. Now, Question No. 122.

(Ends)


(Followed by NBR/VNK/1L)


-RG/NBR-VNK/1L/11.50.

Q. NO. 122

(Q.No. 122 – Hon. Member absent)

MR. CHAIRMAN: Question Number 122. Questionnaire is not present. Let the answer be given.

श्री अविनाश राय खन्ना: सर, हम देखते हैं कि जो सीमेंट और केमिकल्स फैक्ट्रियां हैं, उनमें लेबर डस्ट से काफी अफेक्टेड होते हैं। हमें इसमें दो तरह के मेजर्स लेने चाहिए। पहला यह कि उस फैक्ट्री ने सभी पैरामीटर्स, सेफ्टी मेजर्स को अडॉप्ट किया है या नहीं किया है, दूसरा यह कि वहां काम करने वाले मजदूरों की सेफ्टी के लिए उन्हें जैकेट्स और मुंह पर लगाने के लिए इन्स्ट्रूमेंट्स, आदि प्रोवाइड किए गए हैं या नहीं किए गए हैं। इस संबंध में सरकार की तरफ से इन फैक्ट्रियों की कितनी बार इन्स्पेक्शन की गई है कि वहां पर सभी पैरामीटर्स ठीक हैं?

MR. CHAIRMAN: One question at a time.

श्री अविनाश राय खन्ना: और उन फैक्ट्रियों में जो मजदूर काम करते हैं, उन मजदूरों का कितनी बार मेडिकल चेकअप किया गया है?

SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH: Mr. Chairman, Sir, every factory must take precautions for workers working in cement factories to keep its
Q.No.122 – (contd.)

premises clean, to dispose waste and effluents, to maintain adequate ventilation and required temperature, to prevent accumulation of dust



and fumes, to avoid overcrowding, to provide sufficient lighting, drinking water, latrines and urinals.

श्री अविनाश राय खन्ना: सर, मंत्री जी जो बता रहे हैं, वह तो मुझे पता है। ...(व्यवधान).. मेरा प्रश्न यह है कि सरकार की तरफ से उन फैक्ट्रियों की कितनी बार इन्स्पेक्शन की गई है और वहां पर काम करने वाले मजदूरों का कितनी बार मेडिकल चेकअप किया गया है? ...(व्यवधान)...

MR. CHAIRMAN: All right. Okay. Are these details available?

SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH: All precautionary measures are provided by factories to protect workers from injury to their eyes, to protect workmen from dangerous dust, gas and fumes.

श्री अविनाश राय खन्ना: सर, मेरा प्रश्न यह है कि सरकार की तरफ से कितनी बार इन्स्पेक्शन हुई है?

MR. CHAIRMAN: Let the information be collected and be given to the hon. Member.

SAHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH: Sir, I will collect the information and provide to the hon. Member.

Q.No.122 – (contd.)

श्री अश्क अली टाक: सभापति महोदय, मैं पिछले तीन साल से इस सदन का सदस्य हूँ। ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री सभापति: आप अपना सवाल पूछिए।

श्री अश्क अली टाक: सर, मैं सवाल पूछने की गुस्ताखी हर बार करता हूँ और सवाल का जवाब भी आता है। मंत्री जी जवाब भी देते हैं। मान्यवर, मेरा सवाल यह है कि राजस्थान के जिन लोगों ने अपनी जान न्यौछावर कर दी, उन्हें जो ड्यू डिफेंस की तरफ से मिलना था, वह मिलना चाहिए ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री सभापति: यह सवाल डिफेंस का नहीं है।...(व्यवधान)...

श्री अश्क अली टाक: सर, मेरा सवाल प्रश्न से हटकर है। यह सप्लीमेंटरी प्रश्न नहीं है, लेकिन मैं कह रहा हूँ कि तीन साल में भी इस सम्मानीय सदन के द्वारा मेरे प्रश्न का जवाब कभी नहीं आता है। आखिर ऐसा क्यों होता है? ...(व्यवधान)...

MR. CHAIRMAN: No; I am not afraid not. This is not a question. Shri Balagopal.

SHRI K.N. BALAGOPAL: Sir, in the statement it is stated, 'As per the available information, there are no deaths or serious disease in the last three years.' Sir, this may not be correct. But, my question is this. It is a fact that modern plants are equipped with modern facilities. But

Q.No.122 – (contd.)

the old cement and chemical factories which were started with all kinds of facilities, whether there is any provision to equip them now

with modern facilities to control dust and other kinds of dangerous things.

SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH: Sir, all the factories have modern facilities. As per the available information received from State Governments and the UTs, no worker in cement and fertilizer factories died due to effect of dust particles, because all the States have ensured safety precautions in factories.

(Ends)


Q.NO. 123

SHRI T.K. RANGARAJAN: Sir, my first supplementary is this. The hon. Minister has given a lengthy answer.

Access to credit for micro, medium enterprises and traditional and export-oriented industries is not encouraging. The rate of interest for micro and small industry is very high. And, the WTO Guidelines ruins most of our small-scale and micro industries. We must give some protection for small-scale industries.



(CONTD. BY KGG/1M)

KGG-DS/11:55/1M

SHRI T.K. RANGARAJAN (Contd.): Because, if we see the power tariff, the interest rate and the raw material costs, we are not able to do any business with the small-scale industries. They are suffering. They are the worst sufferers for the past ten years. I would like to know whether the Minister has got anything to offer more than what he has said. What about the WTO guidelines? I would like to know whether it can be modified.

SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH: Sir, his question is entirely different. I will collect the details and give it to him.

Q.No. 123 (contd.)

SHRI T.K. RANGARAJAN: With regard to my second supplementary, the Government of India is committed to encourage tripartite mechanism for a greater social dialogue at all levels. Sir, tripartite committees are also happening only in the public sector. If you take the private sector, especially the multi-national companies, when they come here, they don’t recognize any union. They don’t come to the conciliation table. Even if they come to the conciliation table, they say, ‘We will not discuss with outsiders.’ The outsiders of the multi-national companies are telling our trade union leaders, ‘We are not prepared to discuss with the outsiders.’ I would like to know whether the Minister has got any reply on this. There must be tripartite dialogue in every area, whether it is multi-national or national or public sector.

SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH: Sir, the issue of labour is in the Concurrent List. We are always going through the route of tripartite discussion. Wherever there is dispute, we have to sit together—employer side, employees side and management—and take decision.

SHRI T.K. RANGARAJAN: No, Sir, I would like to know if the Minister has got...(Interruptions)... Is the Ministry prepared to call a meeting

Q.No. 123 (contd.)

of all the multi-national companies with the Central trade union leaders and give them proper guidance?



SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH: Sir, if our tripartite meeting is necessary, we will do it.

SHRI D. BANDYOPADHYAY: Sir, in the reply the hon. Minister has given, it is said that, as far as problems of contract labourers are concerned, a proposal for amendment is there. My short question is on the violation of non-payment of wages and other safety measures. How many prosecutions have been launched against the defaulting employers?

SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH: Sir, as far as contract labourers are concerned, wherever the Contract Labour Act is violated, immediately we have taken steps. If the hon. Members have any specific case, it can be given to us and we will definitely address it.

श्री राजीव प्रताप रूडी: सर, माननीय मंत्री जी ने यहाँ असंगठित और संगठित क्षेत्र के मजदूरों के बारे में चर्चा की है और एक इंटरनेशनल कॉन्फ्रेंस का जिक्र किया गया है। महोदय, आज देश की जो आर्थिक स्थिति है, उसमें सकल घरेलू उत्पाद घटकर साढ़े चार फीसदी पर आ गया है, इंडस्ट्रियल प्रॉडक्शन नेगेटिव

Q.No. 123 (contd.)

में है और देश में ऐसे लाखों लोग,जो ब्ल्यू कॉलर्ड हैं, वे नौकरी से बाहर चले गए हैं, जिनकी संख्या सरकार के अपने आँकड़ों के हिसाब से सवा लाख से अधिक है।

हम माननीय मंत्री जी से यह जानना चाहते हैं कि आपने अपने उत्तर में तमाम प्रावधान दर्शाए हैं, तो क्या आपकी जानकारी में यह है कि आज इस देश में असंगठित क्षेत्र के लगभग डेढ़ लाख मजदूरों की छँटनी हो गयी है और देश में बेरोजगारी की अवस्था भयावह हो चुकी है? क्या सरकार के अपने प्रतिवेदन में या सरकार की जानकारी में यह विषय है या नहीं?



SHRI KODIKUNNIL SURESH: Sir, as far as the Labour Ministry is concerned, this subject is in the Concurrent List. Every issue is discussed with the State Governments. We have also taken the opinion of the State Governments. After that only we are doing this. श्री राजीव प्रताप रूडी: सर, आप देखिए कि मेरा सवाल क्या था और उत्तर क्या आया है? अगर सरकार को बेरोजगारी जैसा साधारण विषय समझ में न आए और आज देश के आर्थिक हालात में बेरोजगारी की क्या अवस्था है, यदि इसका उत्तर सरकार के पास नहीं है तो इतनी बहस की आवश्यकता नहीं है। मैं इस उत्तर से बिल्कुल असंतुष्ट हूँ, सदन असंतुष्ट है और सरकार को इस पर विस्तार से जवाब देना चाहिए।

Q.No. 123 (contd.)

DR. T. SUBBARAMI REDDY: Sir, I would like to draw the attention of the Minister to the 43rd Indian Labour Conference. But, in the reply he has mentioned that the draft Bill with regard to some amendments is finalized in consultation with the Ministry of Law and Justice. In the amendment it is also being proposed to include building and other construction workers...(Interruptions)... with a view to do away with the criteria of 90 days' work experience. I want to know from the hon. Minister as to how they are planning now, when they are going to finalize it and what the time limit is.

MR. CHAIRMAN: I am afraid, Question Hour is over.

(Ends)
(Followed by TDB/1N)



TDB-MCM/1N/12.00

PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE


SHRIMATI CHANDRESH KUMARI KATOCH: Sir, I lay on the Table, a copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following papers:—

(i)

(a)

Annual Report of the Nava Nalanda Mahavihara, Bihar, for the year 2011-12.




(b)

Annual Accounts of the Nava Nalanda Mahavihara, Bihar, for the year 2011-12, and the Audit Report thereon.




(c)

Review by Government on the working of the above University.




(d)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (i) (a) and (b) above.

(ii)

(a)

Annual Report of the Gandhi Smriti and Darshan Samiti, New Delhi, for the year 2011-12.




(b)

Annual Accounts of the Gandhi Smriti and Darshan Samiti, New Delhi, for the year 2011-12, and the Audit Report thereon.




(c)

Review by Government on the working of the above Samiti.




(d)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (ii) (a) and (b) above.

(iii)

(a)

Fortieth Annual Report and Accounts of the Raja Rammohun Roy Library Foundation, Kolkata, for the year 2011-12, together with the Auditor's Report on the Accounts.




(b)

Review by Government on the working of the above Library.




(c)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (iii) (a) above.

(iv)

(a)

Annual Report and Accounts of the Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, for the year 2011-12, together with the Auditor's Report on the Accounts.




(b)

Review by Government on the working of the above Library.




(c)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (iv) (a) above.


(MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN in the Chair)

SHRI JITENDRA SINGH: Sir, I lay on the table, a copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following papers:—

(i)

(a)

Annual Report and Accounts of the Rajiv Gandhi National Institute of Youth Development (RJNIYD), Sriperumbudur, Tamil Nadu, for the year 2011-12, together with the Auditor's Report on the Accounts.




(b)

Review by Government on the working of the above Institute.




(c)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (i) (a) above.

(ii)

(a)

Annual Report and Accounts of the Sports Authority of India (SAI), New Delhi, for the year 2010-11, together with the Auditor's Report on the Accounts.




(b)

Review by Government on the working of the above Authority.




(c)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (ii) (a) above.

(iii)

Memorandum of Understanding between the Government of India (Ministry of Defence, Department of Defence Production) and the Bharat Dynamics Limited, for the year 2013-14.

SHRI MULLAPPALLY RAMACHANDRAN: Sir, I lay on the Table—

I. A copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following Notifications of the Ministry of Home Affairs, under sub-section (2) of Section 148 of the Delhi Police Act, 1978, along with delay statement:—







F. No. 16/06/2010/HP-I /Estt./975 to 978, dated the 1st June, 2012, publishing the Delhi Police (Appointment and Recruitment) (Amendment) Rules, 2012.







F. No. 13/11/2012/HP-I /Estt./3713 to 3718, dated the 11th October, 2012, publishing the Delhi Police (Appointment and Recruitment) (Amendment) Rules, 2012.







F. No. 13/40/2006/HP-I /Estt./3719 to 3724, dated the 11th October, 2012, publishing the Delhi Police (Promotion and Confirmation) (Amendment) Rules, 2012.







F. No. 13/7/2012/HP-I /Estt./4698 to 4703, dated the 20th November, 2012, publishing the Delhi Police (General Conditions of Service) (Amendment) Rules, 2012.







F. No. 16/02/2010/HP-I /Estt./4366 to 4371, dated the 5th November, 2012, publishing the Delhi Police (Appointment and Recruitment) (Amendment) Rules, 2012.







F. No. 16/02/2012/HP-I /Estt./4669 to 4674, dated the 19th November, 2012, publishing the Delhi Police (Appointment and Recruitment) (Amendment) Rules, 2012.







No. F. 16/4/2010/HP-I /Estt./1391/dshome-1/250, dated the 29th June, 2012, publishing the Delhi Police (Promotion and Confirmation) (Amendment) Rules, 2012.







No. F. 16/4/2010/HP-I /Estt./1387, dated the 29th June, 2012, publishing the Delhi Police (Appointment and Recruitment) (Amendment) Rules, 2012.







No. F. 13/11/2012/HP-I /Estt./7966 to 7971, dated the 13th March, 2013, publishing the Delhi Police (Appointment and Recruitment) (Amendment) Rules, 2013.







F. No. 16/5/2013/HP-I /Estt./54 to 58, dated the 3rd April, 2013, publishing the Delhi Police (Appointment and Recruitment) (Amendment) Rules, 2013.







F. No. 13/13/2003/HP-I /Estt./813 to 816, dated the 25th May, 2012, publishing the Delhi Police (Appointment and Recruitment) (Amendment) Rules, 2012.

II. A copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following Notifications of the Ministry of Home Affairs, under sub-section (2) of Section 2 of the Foreigners Order, 1948:—







S.O. 1191 (E), dated the 10th May, 2013, appointing the Chief Immigration Officer, Gaya as the Civil Authority for the jurisdiction of the Gaya International Airport in the State of Bihar.







S.O. 1190 (E), dated the 10th May, 2013, appointing the Chief Immigration Officer, Bagdogra as the Civil Authority for the jurisdiction of the Bagdogra International Airport in the State of West Bengal.







S.O. 1193 (E), dated the 10th May, 2013, appointing the Chief Immigration Officer, Varanasi as the Civil Authority for the jurisdiction of the Varanasi International Airport in the State of Uttar Pradesh.







S.O. 1489 (E), dated the 10th June, 2013, appointing the Chief Immigration Officer, Guwahati as the Civil Authority for the jurisdiction of the Lokpriya Gopinath Bordoloi International Airport Guwahati in the State of Assam.

III. A copy (in English and Hindi) of the Ministry of Home Affairs Notification No. S.O. 1070 (E), dated the 29th April, 2013, notifying officers competent for compounding offences, under Section 49 of the Foreign Contribution (Regulation) Act, 2010.

SHRIMATI D. PURANDESWARI: Sir, I lay on the Table, a copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following papers:—




(a)

Annual Report and Accounts of the National Productivity Council, New Delhi, for the year 2011-12, together with the Auditor's Report on the Accounts.




(b)

Statement by Government accepting the above Report.




(c)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (a) above.

SHRIMATI PANABAKA LAKSHMI: Sir, I lay on the Table, under Section 23 of the National Jute Board Act, 2008, a copy (in English and Hindi) of the Ministry of Textiles Notification No. S.O. 1485 (E), dated the 7th June, 2013, nominating Members of Parliament in the National Jute Board for a period of two years.

SHRI R.P.N. SINGH: Sir, I lay on the Table—

I. A copy (in English and Hindi) of the Ministry of Home Affairs Notification No. G.S.R. 787 (E), dated the 23rd October, 2012, publishing the Central Reserve Police Force, Assistant Sub Inspector (Steno) and Head Constable (Ministerial) Recruitment Rules, 2012, under sub-section (3) of Section 18 of the Central Reserve Police Force Act, 1949, along with delay statement.

II. A copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following Notifications of the Ministry of Home Affairs, under sub-section (3) of Section 22 of the Central Industrial Security Force Act, 1968, along with delay statement:—




(1)

G.S.R. 85 (E), dated the 14th February, 2013, publishing the Central Industrial Security Force Constable (Bandsman-cum-GD) Recruitment Rules, 2013.




(2)

G.S.R. 184 (E), dated the 21st March, 2013, publishing the Central Industrial Security Force, Assistant Sub-Inspector (Stenographer) and Head Constable (Ministerial)Recruitment Rules, 2013.




(3)

G.S.R. 785 (E), dated the 25th October, 2011, publishing the Central Industrial Security Force Security Wing (Subordinate Ranks) Recruitment Amendment Rules, 2011.

DR. E. M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN: Sir, I lay on the Table, a copy each (in English and Hindi) of the following papers:—




(a)

Annual Report and Accounts of the Quality Council of India (QCI), New Delhi, for the year 2011-12, together with the Auditor's Report on the Accounts.




(b)

Statement by Government accepting the above Report.




(c)

Statement giving reasons for the delay in laying the papers mentioned at (a) above.



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