SK/1A/11. 00 The House met at eleven of the clock, mr. Chairman in the Chair. OBITUARY REFERENCE mr. Chairman



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DR. NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Sir, I want to seek a clarification. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. CHAIRMAN: Shri G.N. Ratanpuri, the Chair promised to give you time. Please ask a question; not a statement.
श्री जी0एन0 रतनपुरी (जम्मू और कश्मीर) : सर, हम दुनिया की सबसे पुरानी तहज़ीब के वारिस हैं और हमें अपनी पांच हजार साल पुरानी संस्कृति, सभ्यता और अपने संस्कारों पर बहुत नाज़ है*...(व्यवधान)...

MR. CHAIRMAN: You cannot refer to what happened in another legislative body. ...(Interruptions)... Please ask your clarification on the statement. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI G. N. RATANPURI: I want to know why can't we be sensitive. मैं बहुत खुश हूं िक हम बहुत सेंसिटिव हैं about plight of women all over the country, लेकिन यही सेंसिटिविटी हम नॉर्थ-ईस्ट की वीमेन, दलित वीमेन और कश्मीर की खातून के बारे में नहीं दिखाते। *...(व्यवधान)...

श्री सभापति : यह आप क्या कर रहे हैं? You ask your question please. ...(Interruptions)...


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* Expunged as ordered by the Chair.
SHRI G. N. RATANPURI: My question is: Why the people in uniform have not been included in the ambit of this Bill? Why should they have any immunity? How can rape or assault against women be in the line of duty?

(Ends)


SHRI M. VENKAIAH NAIDU: It should be expunged. ...(Interruptions)... Sir, reference to a party should be expunged. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. CHAIRMAN: Anything which is inappropriate will be expunged. ...(Interruptions)...

श्री मोहम्मद अदीब (उत्तर प्रदेश) : सर, यह बिल बहुत अच्छा है।

جناب محمد ادیب (اتّر پردیش): سر، یہ بل بہت اچھا ہے۔

श्री सभापति : आपको क्लैरिफिकेशन चाहिए?

श्री मोहम्मद अदीब : सर, मुझे यह क्लैरिफिकेशन चाहिए कि जुवेनाइल एक्ट के तहत जो बच्चा उम्र के हिसाब से बच जाता है, उसके लिए हमने क्या किया है और जिन फेमिलीज में ये दर्दनाक वाक़यात हो रहे हैं, उन फेमिलीज को आपने कितना कम्पनसेशन देने के लिए कहा है, जिन फेमिलीज के साथ यह हो रहा
है? सर, 15 और 17 साल के बच्चे यह अपराध कर रहे हैं। आज सबसे ज्यादा क्राइम इस उम्र के बच्चे कर रहे हैं। इसके लिए इसमें कोई प्रावधान नहीं है।

(समाप्त)



جناب محمد ادیب : سر، مجھے یہ کلیرفکیشن چاہئے کہ 'جووینائل ایکٹ' کے تحت جو بچہ عمر کے حساب سے بچ جاتا ہے، اس کے لئے ہم نے کیا کیا ہے اور جن فیملیز میں یہ دردناک واقعات ہو رہے ہیں، ان فیملیز کو آپ نے کتنا کمپنسیشن دینے کے لئے کہا ہے، جن فیملیز کے ساتھہ یہ ہو رہا ہے؟ سر، 15 اور 17 سال کے بچے یہ اپرادھہ کر رہے ہیں۔ آج سب سے زیادہ کرائم اس عمر کے بچّے کر رہے ہیں۔ اس کے لئے اس میں کوئی پراودھان نہیں ہے۔

(ختم شد)



SHRIMATI SMRITI ZUBIN IRANI: Sir, I want a clarification. ...(Interruptions)...

MR. CHAIRMAN: You have already made a statement. ...(Interruptions)... This cannot be an endless exercise. ...(Interruptions)...

DR. NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Sir, while making a very short intervention, I have requested and told the Minister that he cannot take this legislation in isolation. You have to take cognizance of the Juvenile Justice Act also. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SUSHILKUMAR SHINDE: That is covered under the different law. ...(Interruptions)...

DR. NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: Sir, with your admittance in the House, due to that happening in Delhi, this Ordinance was brought. But the culprit is getting scot-free because he was two or three months younger than 18 years. How can this justice be given to anybody? अगर आप जुवेनाइल एक्ट को चेंज नहीं करेंगे तो आप कैसे उसको सज़ा देंगे? जब तक आप इस मामले को इन-टोटलिटी नहीं देखेंगे, इस लॉ के आने से आपका काम पूरा नहीं होगा।

(Contd. by 2x/KSK)

KSK-KLG/2X/3.40

MR. CHAIRMAN: We are considering the proposed legislation, not subsequent action.

DR. NAJMA A. HEPTULLA: No, Sir, what I am saying is they are related to each other. One legislation cannot be undertaken without taking the cognisance of other legislation which gives punishment. So, you will have to consider it. Sir, we are thinking about this after a long deliberation and reading the Bill. सर, आपने सब की तारीफ कर दी, मगर आपने वेंकैया जी, जो स्टैंडिंग कमेटी के चेयरमैन हैं, ..(व्यवधान)... उनकी नहीं की।

MR. CHAIRMAN: But, that is not a clarification.

श्री सुशील कुमार शिंदे: नाम नहीं लिया, लेकिन किया, उनका तो पहले किया। ..(व्यवधान)

श्री शिवानन्द तिवारी: सर, मेरा क्लैरिफिकेशन है। मैं माननीय मंत्री जी से जानना चाहता हॅूं कि क्न्ज्युमरिस्ट कल्चर ने जिस ढंग से औरत को सेक्स ऑब्जेक्ट बना कर पेश किया है, उसके शरीर का बाजारीकरण किया है, उसका नतीजा है कि इस तरह से रेप का, औरतों के खिलाफ सेक्सुअल क्राइम का एक माइंडसेट बनता है। जब तक आप उस पर रोक नहीं लगाएंगे, ...(व्यवधान)... श्री सभापति: आप इस लेजिस्लेशन पर अपना सवाल पूछिएगा। .

श्री शिवानन्द तिवारी: सर, इसके लिए आप कड़े से कड़ा कानून बनाइए। आपने इस बारे में कुछ नहीं कहा। इसलिए हम चाहेंगे कि आप इस बारे में भी स्पष्टीकरण दीजिए कि इस बारे में आप क्या करने जा रहे हैं?

MR. CHAIRMAN: Yes, Mrs. Smriti Irani, what is your clarification? You have already spoken.

SHRIMATI SMRITI ZUBIN IRANI: Sir, I just have pointedly three clarifications to seek. One, on page 5, I would like to draw the Home Minister’s attention to section 370 that reduces sentence and punishment for sexual exploitation of trafficked minors. I had attracted the Home Minister’s attention to it, why there was this reduction. Sir, please look at page 5 and the reduction of punishment vis-a-vis IPC. I had also attracted your attention to the provision of stalking on page 3. I had also attracted your attention to the fact that under-punishment for repeat offenders, those convicted under section 376C, is not included. Would you include this? This is the submission that I want to make.

श्रीमती कुसुम राय: सभापति जी, मैं आपके माध्यम से माननीय मंत्री जी से कहना चाहती हूँ कि सभी चीजों पर हमने यहां पर चर्चा की है, लेकिन जब किसी भी महिला के साथ चाहे बलात्कार हो, चाहे गैंग रेप का मामला हो, सुबह से लेकर शाम तक मीडिया के लोग उसका रिपीटेशन करते रहते हैं, क्या इसके बारे में आपने कोई उपाय सोचा है? ...(व्यवधान) ... जब किसी महिला के साथ ऐसी कोई घटना हो जाती है, तो उसको लेकर सुबह से रात तक मीडिया में बताया जाता है। आपने इस बारे में कुछ सोचा है या नहीं सोचा है?

डा0 अनिल कुमार साहनी: सभापति महोदय।

श्री सभापति: आप सवाल पूछिए, भाषण मत दीजिए।

डा0 अनिल कुमार साहनी: सर, हम भाषण नहीं दे रहे हैं, क्लैरिफिकेशन पूछ रहे हैं। मंत्री महोदय, आपने नियम बनाया है तांक-झांक का, देखने का, मगर जो अश्लील गाना कहीं-कहीं पर चलता है कि ‘मिस कॉल मारा तारा, किस देब का हो’, जब ऐसा गाना चलेगा, तो युवा का क्या होगा? ...(व्यवधान)..

श्री सभापति: थैंक यू। बैठ जाइए, बैठ जाइए। हो गया।

डा0 अनिल कुमार साहनी: कहने के लिए वह अश्लील गाना है। क्या उस पर रोक लगाने के लिए आप कानून बना रहे हैं? देखने वाले, झाँकने वाले, ताकने वाले, कनखी मारने वाले पर आप केस कीजिएगा, लेकिन जो गाना बना रहा है, जो सीडी बना रहा है, उसके खिलाफ कुछ नही कीजिएगा। उसके खिलाफ भी कानून बनाइए, उसको भी जेल भेजने का प्रावधान कीजिए।

श्री सभापति: बैठ जाइए, हो गया।

SHRI V.P. SINGH BADNORE: Sir, I have a very short and a specific question. Sir, the juvenile has a cut-off date of, let us say, 18 years. Suppose, a person attains the age of 18 years on 30th of March, one day before, on 29th, it is okay. On 30th March, he has this problem and one day later, he gets punished. Is that the right way of going about it?

MR. CHAIRMAN: Please, don’t deprive the fraternity of lawyers from arguing a fine point in a court of law. Yes, Mr. Derek O’Brien.

SHRI DEREK O’BRIEN: Sir, I have a clarification-cum-suggestion to you and through you, to the Home Minister. In this debate today, we have used the term ‘rape victim’. About ten-twelve times, the Home Minister used the word ‘rape victim’.

(Continued by 2Y – GSP)

GSP-NB-3.45-2Y

SHRI DEREK O’BRIEN (CONTD.): Would you consider, for the purpose of records in Rajya Sabha, using the words ‘rape survivor’ and not the ‘rape victim’?

MR. CHAIRMAN: I shall now put the Resolution moved by Shri D. Raja to vote.

The question is:


That this House disapproves the Criminal Law (Amendment) Ordinance, 2013 (No. 3 of 2013) promulgated by the President on 3rd February, 2013.
The motion was negatived.
MR. CHAIRMAN: I shall put the motion moved by Shri Sushilkumar Shinde to vote.

The question is:


“That the Bill further to amend the Indian Penal Code, the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1973, the Indian Evidence Act, 1972 and the Protection of Children from Sexual Offences Act, 2012, as passed by Lok Sabha, be taken into consideration.”
The motion was adopted.
MR. CHAIRMAN: We shall now take up the clause-by-clause consideration of the Bill.

Clause 2 was added to the Bill.

MR. CHAIRMAN: In Clause 3, there are two amendments (Nos. 1 and 2) by Dr. T.N. Seema. Are you moving the amendments?
DR. T.N. SEEMA: Sir, I am not moving the amendments.
Clause 3 was added to the Bill.

Clauses 4 and 5 were added to the Bill.
MR. CHAIRMAN: In clause 6, there is one amendment (No.3) by Dr. T.N. Seema. Dr. Seema, are you moving the amendment?

CLAUSE 6 – AMENDMENT OF SECTION 354

DR. T.N. SEEMA (KERALA): Sir, I move:

That at page 3, for lines 1 to 5, the following shall be substituted, namely:-

"354.(1) The following acts shall constitute the offence of sexual assault, -

(a) intentional touching of another person when such act of touching is of a sexual nature and is without the recipient's consent;

(b) using words, acts or gestures towards or in the presence of another person which create an unwelcome threat of a sexual nature or result in an unwelcome advance.

Explanation: For the purposes of this section, acts shall include the display and dissemination of pornographic material.

(2) Any person who commits the offence mentioned in clause (a) of sub-section (1) shall be punishable with rigorous imprisonment that may extend to five years, or with fine, or both.

(3) Any person who commits the offence mentioned in clause (b)of sub-section (1) above shall be punishable with imprisonment of either description that may extend to one year, or with fine, or both."



The question was put and the motion was negatived.

Clause 6 was added to the Bill.
MR. CHAIRMAN: In clause 7, there is one amendment (No.4) by Dr. T.N. Seema. Dr. Seema, are you moving the amendment?

CLAUSE 7 – INSERTION OF NEW SECTIONS 354A, 354B, 354C AND 354D.

DR. T.N. SEEMA (KERALA): Sir, I move:

That at page 3, lines 7 to 19, be deleted.



The question was put and the motion was negatived.

Clause 7 was added to the Bill.

Clause 8 was added to the Bill.
MR. CHAIRMAN: In Clause 9, there are 11 amendments (Nos. 5 to 9) by Dr. T.N. Seema and (Nos. 12 to 17) by Shri D. Raja. Let us first take up the amendments by Dr. T.N. Seema. Dr. Seema, are you moving the amendments.

CLAUSE 9 – SUBSTITUTION OF NEW SECTIONS FOR SECTIONS 375, 376, 376A, 376B, 376C AND 376D

DR. T.N. SEEMA (KERALA): Sir, I move:

5. That at page 6, for lines 1 and 2, the following be substituted, namely:-



"Sixthly= With or without the complainant's consent, when such complainant is under eighteen years of age.

Provided that consent shall be a valid defence, if the age of the complainant is between sixteen years and eighteen years of age and the accused person is not more than five years older than the complainant."

6. That at page 6, lines 13 and 14, be deleted.

7. That at page 7, for lines 2 and 3, the following be substituted, namely:-

"(k) being in a position of economic or social or political dominance commits sexual assault on a woman under such dominance; or

(1) being a man, who is not belonging to Scheduled Caste or a Scheduled Tribe, commits rape on a person belonging to Scheduled Caste or a Scheduled Tribe, knowing that the person belongs to Scheduled Caste or a Scheduled Tribe; or"

8. That at page 7, lines 31 to 36, be deleted.

9. That at page 8, after line 26, the following be inserted, namely:-

"376F. (1) Whoever, being a public servant in command, control or supervision of the police or armed forces, or assuming command whether lawfully or otherwise, fails to exercise control over persons under his or her command, control or supervision and· as a result of such failure offences under section 354, section 354A, sub-section (1) of section 376, clauses (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (h), (i), and (j) of sub-section (2) of section 376, section 376B or section 376C or section 376D of the Indian Penal Code, 1860 are committed, by person under his or her command, control or supervision, shall be guilty of the offence of breach of command responsibility, where,-


  1. such public servant either knew or owing to the circumstances shall have known that the person under his or her command, control or supervision may commit such offences; and

  2. such public servant failed to take necessary and reasonable measures within his or her power to prevent or repress the commission of the said offences.

  1. Whoever is guilty of the offence of breach of command responsibility shall be punished with rigorous imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than seven years, but may extend to ten years.

Explanation 1: For the purposes of this section, police officer shall have the same meaning as the word police under the Police Act, 1861.

Explanation 2: For the purposes of this section, armed forces means the naval, military and air forces and includes any member of the Armed forces enumerated in the Schedule, including the paramilitary forces and any auxiliary forces that are under the control of the Central or State Government.



The questions were put and the motions were negatived.
(Followed by SK-2Z)

SK/2Z/3.50

MR. CHAIRMAN: I shall now take up the amendments by Shri D. Raja. Shri D. Raja, are you moving the amendments?

SHRI D. RAJA (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I move:

(12) That at page 6, lines 13 and 14, for the words "wife not being fifteen years of age," the words "the wife not being eighteen years of age," be substituted.

(l3) That at page 6, after line 14, the following be inserted, namely:-

Exception 3:- Except for cases falling under sub-section (2) of section 376, any sexual intercourse or sexual act covered by section 375 of Indian Penal Code, 1860 is not rape when she being between the age of sixteen to eighteen years consents to such sexual intercourse or sexual act with him and he is below the age of eighteen years.

(14) That at page 7, after line 7, the following be inserted, namely:-

"(o) being a man, who is not belonging to Scheduled Caste or a Scheduled Tribe, commits rape on a person belonging to Scheduled Caste or a Scheduled Tribe, knowing that the person belongs to Scheduled Caste or a Scheduled Tribe."

(15) That at page 7, after line 24, the following be inserted, namely:-

"(e): For the purposes of clause (0) of sub-section (2) of section 376, the court may presume from the facts and circumstances of the case that the accused knew or ought to have known, or believed that the victim belonged to a Scheduled Caste or Scheduled Tribe and the accused was acquainted with the victim or the family of the victim."

(f): That the victim of rape in under clauses (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (g), (1) and (0) of sub-section (2) of section 376, shall be any person.

(16) That at page 7, line 30, the words "or with death" be deleted.

(17) That at page 8, lines 25 and 26, the words "or with death" be delete

The questions were put and the motions were negatived.

Clause 9 was added to the Bill.
MR. CHAIRMAN: In Clause 10, there is one amendment (No. 10) by Dr. T.N. Seema. Dr. Seema, are you moving the amendment?

Clause 10 – Amendment of section 509

DR. T.N. SEEMA (KERALA): Sir, I move:

(10) That at page 8, lines 27 to 30, be deleted.



The question was put and the motion was negatived.

Clause 10 was added to the Bill.
Clauses 11to 13 were added to the Bill.

MR. CHAIRMAN: In Clause 14, there is one amendment (No. 11) by Dr. T.N. Seema. Dr. Seema, are you moving the amendment?

Clause 14 – Amendment of section 160

DR. T.N. SEEMA (KERALA): Sir, I move:

(11) That at page 9, lines 25 and 26, or the words "under the age of fifteen years", the words "under the age of eighteen years" be substituted.


The question was put and the motion was negatived.

Clause 14 was added to the Bill.
Clauses 15 to 17 were added to the Bill.

MR. CHAIRMAN: In Clause 18, there are two amendments (Nos. 18 and 19) by Shri D. Raja. Shri D. Raja, are you moving the amendments?

Clause 18 – Amendment of section 197

SHRI D. RAJA (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I move:

(18) That at page 10, line 9, the words, bracket and figure "after sub-section (1)" be deleted.

(19) That at page 10, line 12, for the words "in case of a public servant" the words "in case of all persons covered under this section" be substituted.

The questions were put and the motions were negatived.

Clause 18 was added to the Bill.
Clauses 19 to 22 were added to the Bill.
MR. CHAIRMAN: In Clause 23, there is one amendment (No. 20) by Shri D. Raja. Shri D. Raja, are you moving the amendment?

Clause 23 – Insertion of new sections 357B and 357C

SHRI D. RAJA (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I move:

That at page 10, line 49, the words "and shall immediately inform the police of such incident" be deleted.



The question was put and the motion was negatived.

Clause 23 was added to the Bill.
MR. CHAIRMAN: In Clause 24, there are two amendments (Nos. 21 and 22) by Shri D. Raja. Shri D. Raja, are you moving the amendments?

Clause 24 – Amendment of First Schedule

SHRI D. RAJA (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I move:

(21) That at page 12, line 8, for the word "Bailable", the word "Non-bailable be substituted.

(22) That at page 12, line 23, for the word "Bailable", the word "Non-bailable be substituted.

The questions were put and the motions were negatived.

Clause 24 was added to the Bill.

(Contd. by KR/3A)

KR/SC/3A/3.55



Clauses 25-30 were added to the Bill.

Clause 1, the Enacting Formula and the Title were added to the Bill.

SHRI SUSHIL KUMAR SHINDE: I move:

That the Bill be passed.



The question was put and the motion was adopted.

(Ends)


STATEMENT RE. CONCERNS RAISED WITH REGARD TO RECENT CHANGES NOTIFIED BY UNION PUBLIC SERVICE COMMISSION FOR CIVIL SERVICES EXAMINATION, 2013
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF PERSONNEL, PUBLIC GRIEVANCES AND PENSIONS AND MINISTER OF STATE IN THE PRIME MINISTER'S OFFICE (SHRI V. NARAYANASAMY): Mr. Chairman, Sir, the Government gave an assurance in this House on 15.03.2013 that it will have a re-look on some aspects of the newly notified pattern of Civil Services (Main) Examination in view of the concerns raised by the Members of this House and representations received in this regard. The Government has reviewed the concerns raised. Having taken into account all the views
expressed by the Hon 'ble Members and the representations received on the recent Notification regarding the Civil Services Main examinations 2013, the government, in consultation with different agencies concerned has decided the following:

..(Interruptions)….



  1. A candidate will be allowed to use anyone regional language from the 8th Schedule of the Constitution of India or English as the medium of writing the examination as before.

....(Interruptions)...

  1. Conditionality of a minimum of 25 candidates in that medium and the requirement to have that language as the medium of examination at graduation level is proposed to be dropped.

  2. Further more, as before, a candidate will be allowed to take up literature as his/her optional subject (to be chosen from a list of 23 literature subjects - 22 of the 8th Schedule languages and English) without the conditionality of having to do his/her graduation in that language's literature.

...(Interruptions)...

  1. The English component (of 100 marks) from the Essay Paper will also be dropped and the status quo ante of 2 qualifying papers of 300 marks each in any Modern Indian Language and in English - shall be restored. The Essay Paper will now be of 250 marks to be written in the medium/language of candidate's choice. (Ends)

MR. CHAIRMAN: The House stands adjourned till 11.00 a.m. on

22nd March, 2013.



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The House then adjourned at fifty-eight minutes past three of the clock till eleven of the clock on Friday, the 22nd March, 2013.

1 Chapter 3, Economic Survey, 2012-13

2 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General


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