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Painful process of birth

Prayers of the unborn child (Jantu) continued

Now we come to this verse and we will complete now.  See this

[Maharaji leads recitation of verse and word by word equivalents]
dehy anya-deha-vivare jaṭharāgnināsṛg-

viṇ-mūtra-kūpa-patito bhṛśa-tapta-dehaḥ

icchann ito vivasituḿ gaṇayan sva-māsān

nirvāsyate kṛpaṇa-dhīr bhagavan kadā nu
We’ll go through the equivalents, please repeat.
dehī — the embodied soul; anya-deha — of another body; vivare — in the abdomen; jahara — of the stomach; agninā — by the fire; ask — of blood; vi — stool; mūtra — and urine; kūpa — in a pool; patita — fallen; bhṛśa — strongly; tapta — scorched; deha — his body; icchan — desiring; ita — from that place; vivasitum — to get out; gaayan — counting; svamāsān — his months; nirvāsyate — will be released; kpaa-dhīḥ — person of miserly intelligence; bhagavan — O Lord; kadā — when; nu — indeed.
[Fallen into a pool of blood, stool and urine within the abdomen of his mother, his own body scorched by the mother's gastric fire, the embodied soul, anxious to get out, counts his months and prays, "O my Lord, when shall I, a wretched soul, be released from this confinement?"](SB 3.31.17)


The living entity suffers unsurpassable misery inside the womb.  So very nice idea is given.  Inside heat is there, heat.  The body is already hot, if the mothers body becomes cold the living entity has to die.  So, heat has got to be tolerated and it’s so very hot there inside and his body is completely delicate and he is scorched, the word is there for scorched – burnt. 

The living entity suffers unsurpassable misery inside the womb.  So very nice idea is given.  Inside heat is there, heat.  The body is already hot, if the mothers body becomes cold the living entity has to die.  So, heat has got to be tolerated and it is so very hot there inside and the body is completely delicate and he is scorched, the word is there for scorched – burnt. 
I don’t know really sometimes we are punished by our own sinful activities and we also to die in an unfavorable circumstances.  These hijackers might have hijacked the plane, there were passengers were inside, within a second how they might have been feeling, the extra heat was there, fuel was burning, the whole iron was melting, how much heat should be there? They could have experienced for a second or so and immediately they were dead.  This is how, this living entity why doesn’t he die? We don’t know, otherwise death is certain.  We cannot tolerate these miseries inside or outside and we have all have tolerated without exception. Nobody is exception. There was no AC in the womb.  It was all hot, heat and our bodies were scorched and in that condition we are counting the months when are we going to get out.  He had the faint idea that after nine ten months I have to get out.  As soon as the growth is there the body is growing, so when the growth is stopped the womb is a limited place, so as soon as the growth is stopped then the birth takes place.  So he wants to grow, the growth continues but in between the womb and the outside atmosphere we have the birth.  Somehow or the other he has to come out and if favorable winds are there delivery winds they call it, śruti-vāta-nītam [SB 3.9.5] those vāta must be there and that air helps us to get out.  By the force of air we are born.  When Kṛṣṇa appears, He doesn’t appear by the material force.  That is the difference. 
Please determine to make this birth your last birth

As soon as we are born again we lose all the consciousness and you go back to the material rut.  The circumstances are completely different and we don’t know what is happening and because the birth is so very painful for the mother and the child, that when the child is born really that moment he loses his consciousness.  He moves, he tries to cry, he can’t cry even because there is nothing left there and after some moments by Kṛṣṇa’s mercy he comes back and then he starts crying, we are all happy or whatever.  This is the condition. 

The living entity who knows these things from the pages of Bhāgavatam will never in his dream or her dream will never try to come back again in this situation same situation and the same situation is waiting for us and somehow or the other I don’t know how but we take comfort from the Bhagavad-gītā [BG 6.41] “śucīnāṁ śrīmatāṁ gehe yoga-bhraṣṭo ’bhijāyate” those whose devotional service is incomplete they may be born in a rich family or a saintly family.  So he thinks “Oh again, I will born in rich family. I’ll have Mercedes and then we’ll die.” No, this between two births there is a horrible gap because of our sinful activities, 8 million 400 hundred thousand births and deaths.  So many living entities we have to cross. I don’t know at least we have completed one round, 8400000, how did we do it we don’t know.  Fortunately, we are here now in our body, please be determined to make it the last body and only you can do it by following Kṛṣṇa. 

What is the meaning of Kṛṣṇa and how He acts?

Krish means repeated birth and death and na means who can cut.  Its only Kṛṣṇa, nobody else can do that.  Only this, demigods are very faithful, we are very respectful with them. Indra helps me continuously to raise my hand and this and that.  Indra is sitting here, without Indra I can’t do. I have to take help from Indra.  In every sense there is a demigod, every month has a demigod, everywhere demigod is incharge, and we are staying on their pity but the director is there.  And that director we are catching and then these lower administrative officers they become very favorable to us.  They also want that our hand must be used for seva, then Indra becomes very happy.  Otherwise Indra cries, he screams when we take non-vegetarian food and put into our mouth.  He doesn’t want the hand to do that because he is the director here.  Saraswati sits on our tongue and she screams loudly as soon as something else is spoken.  She wants us only to glorify Kṛṣṇa.  Because they are all officers appointed by Kṛṣṇa, so they have to be very faithful to their own boss and Kṛṣṇa says “O this tongue is not chanting.” Then they complain that, “We are trying but he doesn’t obey us.”  Then Kṛṣṇa destroys us through the material manifestation.  He doesn’t need to come here to destroy us. He just orders His external energy, that deal with this living entity and the material energy deals with us. 
Why we should not cross the Laskman Rekha of BBC?

Please these are the facts we should never go out of the lines of the scriptures.  We have this Lakshman rekha it is called. Sitaji was alone in the ashram and somehow or the other Kṛṣṇa ’s arrangement Rāma was running after the deer and the deer shouted “Lakshmana, Lakshmana, Lakshmana”, Lakshmana was not disturbed, Sitaji was very disturbed.  She said, why you wretched soul, you are standing here and your elder brother is calling, why are you standing here? He said, “Mata you don’t worry. Rāma is not to be worried about.”  She said no, she gave him some bad words and immediately Lakshmana had to leave so while going, he drew the line.  That, please matha don’t cross this line and this line will protect you.  Eventually Ravana came to beg and he forced her to cross and he abducted her.  We have also our Lakshmana rekha “Bhagavad-gītā, Bhāgavatam and Chanting”. If you cross over this Lakshmana rekha you are in a dangerous situation.  What danger will crop in, we don’t know, but there will be always danger.  In-order to save us from these dangers, we must not cross our Lakshmana rekha and with this determination we go to the translation. 

In Srila Prabhupāda words

Please repeat. 

Fallen into a pool of blood, stool and urine within the abdomen of his mother, his own body scorched by the mother's gastric fire, the embodied soul, anxious to get out, counts his months and prays, "O my Lord, when shall I, a wretched soul, be released from this confinement?"(SB 3.31.17)


Do you like to fall into that pool now? Dhanesh try one pool like this. We don’t, we hate it!

And please hear now Prabhupāda, we are all speaking on behalf of him and here he is (speaking). 


“The precarious condition of the living entity within the womb of his mother is described here. On one side of where the child is floating is the heat of gastric fire, and on the other side are urine, stool, blood and discharges. After seven months the child, who has regained his consciousness, feels the horrible condition of his existence and prays to the Lord. Counting the months until his release, he becomes greatly anxious to get out of the confinement. The so-called civilized man does not take account of this horrible condition of life, and sometimes, for the purpose of sense gratification, he tries to kill the child by methods of contraception or abortion. Unserious about the horrible condition in the womb, such persons continue in materialism, grossly misusing the chance of the human form of life.

The word krpana-dhih is significant in this verse. Dhi means "intelligence," and krpana means "miserly." Conditional life is for persons who are of miserly intelligence or who do not properly utilize their intelligence. In the human form of life the intelligence is developed, and one has to utilize that developed intelligence to get out of the cycle of birth and death. One who does not do so is a miser, just like a person who has immense wealth but does not utilize it, keeping it simply to see. A person who does not actually utilize his human intelligence to get out of the clutches of maya, the cycle of birth and death, is accepted as miserly. The exact opposite of miserly is udara, "very magnanimous." A brahmana is called udara because he utilizes his human intelligence for spiritual realization. He uses that intelligence to preach Kṛṣṇa consciousness for the benefit of the public, and therefore he is magnanimous.”
Please try to preach to the best of your ability.  Hare Kṛṣṇa.  Jai Srila Prabhupāda ki Jai.

  1. Day 4

Chapter 24
  1. Understanding Detachment

[The following lecture on the 4th day of Bhagavat Saptahah given by His Divine Holiness Srila Mahavishnu Goswami Maharaj recorded on 2nd October 2001 in Sydney, Australia.]


Om namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya

Om namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya

Om namo bhagavate vaasudevaaya


[Maharaj requested devotees to chant the 15th Chapter of Srimad Bhagavad Gita – As It Is - Purshotham Yoga – “The Yoga of the Supreme Person”.  One mathaji recited all the slokhas of Chapter 15th along with Maharaj everyone repeated the slokas]


Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare

Hare Rāma Hare Rāma Rāma Rāma Hare Hare


Jai Srila Prabhupāda Ki Jai!!

Importance of recitation of Sanskrit slokas

 Nice kirtan we had and nice recitation also.  These as we have already seen, Sanskrit slokhas, we may not understand it but even then, the recitation of Sanskrit language itself has its hypnotic effect and without understanding the slokhas we dont understand the purport of it. So please don’t hesitate to understand, if you don’t understand even then you should continue to recite. We will recite four verses from Bhagavad Gita again and they are very simple, please start from Bhagavad Gita so that you have a taste of Sanskrit language.


[Maharaj made everyone to recite after him, the four seed verses from Bhagavad Gita – 10.8 to 10.11]

śrī-bhagavān uvāca

ahaḿ sarvasya prabhavo mattaḥ sarvaḿ pravartate

iti matvā bhajante mā budhā bhāva-samanvitā


mac-cittā mad-gata-prāā bodhayantaḥ parasparam

kathayantaś ca mā nityaḿ tuṣyanti ca ramanti ca


teṣā satata-yuktānā bhajatā prīti-pūrvakam

dadāmi buddhi-yogaḿ taḿ yena mām upayānti te


teṣām evānukampārtham aham ajñāna-jaḿ tamaḥ

nāśayāmy ātma-bhāva-stho jñāna-dīpena bhāsvatā
[Bhagvan said]

[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.
The thoughts of My pure devotees dwell in Me, their lives are fully devoted to My service, and they derive great satisfaction and bliss from always enlightening one another and conversing about Me.
To those who are constantly devoted to serving Me with love, I give the understanding by which they can come to Me.
To show them special mercy, I, dwelling in their hearts, destroy with the shining lamp of knowledge the darkness born of ignorance.] (BG 10.8-11)


Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare

Hare Rāma Hare Rāma Rāma Rāma Hare Hare – (2)


[Maharaj feelingly recites the first few slokhas of first chapter of first canto from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam]

janmādy asya yato 'nvayād itarataś cārtheṣv abhijñaḥ svarā

tene brahma hṛdā ya ādi-kavaye muhyanti yat sūrayaḥ

tejo-vāri-mṛdā yathā vinimayo yatra tri-sargo 'mṛṣā

dhāmnā svena sadā nirasta-kuhakaḿ satyaḿ paraḿ dhīmahi (2)
[O my Lord, Sri Krsna, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Sri Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him. It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmaji, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Sri Krsna, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.] (SB 1.1.1)
dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo 'tra paramo nirmatsarāā satā

vedyaḿ vāstavam atra vastu śivadaḿ tāpa-trayonmūlanam

śrīmad-bhāgavate mahā-muni-kṛte kiḿ vā parair īśvaraḥ

sadyo hṛdy avarudhyate 'tra kṛtibhiḥ śuśrūṣubhis tat-kṣaṇāt
[Completely rejecting all religious activities which are materially motivated, this Bhagavata Purana propounds the highest truth, which is understandable by those devotees who are fully pure in heart. The highest truth is reality distinguished from illusion for the welfare of all. Such truth uproots the threefold miseries. This beautiful Bhāgavatam, compiled by the great sage Vyasadeva [in his maturity], is sufficient in itself for God realization. What is the need of any other scripture? As soon as one attentively and submissively hears the message of Bhāgavatam, by this culture of knowledge the Supreme Lord is established within his heart.](SB 1.1.2)
nigama-kalpa-taror galitaḿ phalaḿ

śuka-mukhād amṛta-drava-saḿyutam

pibata bhāgavataḿ rasam ālayaḿ

muhur aho rasikā bhuvi bhāvukā 
[O expert and thoughtful men, relish Srimad-Bhāgavatam, the mature fruit of the desire tree of Vedic literatures. It emanated from the lips of Sri Sukadeva Gosvami. Therefore this fruit has become even more tasteful, although its nectarean juice was already relishable for all, including liberated souls.](SB 1.1.3)
Hare Kṛṣṇa Hare Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa Hare Hare

Hare Rāma Hare Rāma Rāma Rāma Hare Hare

Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Bhagavat Gita shows the way to Kṛṣṇa

Then in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, the nice way to go to Kṛṣṇa is described.  All living entities being part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa they hanker after to go back to their father.  And He is extra merciful to us to take us back.  But it is in between us and Him, there is external energy involved. Some or the other saints, sages, all the mahajanas from the beginning of this creation, they are insisting that external energy being a very temporary thing by its intrinsic nature it is painful and we can’t change the nature of that potency.  But the same time this scripture insist and all the great persons they follow it.  In order to look after these creations there are different officers appointed by Kṛṣṇa. And all these officers are empowered by Him and because of this they understand that if we have to stay here then there is no other way to be bit satisfied or blissful unless we follow the instructions.


Understanding the temporary nature of material existence

Very nicely said before we go to the slokhas which give the royal road to go to Kṛṣṇa we should understand the futility of our own existence and at the same time we should very clear about the temporary nature of everything in the material existence. Even now this idea of the temporary nature doesn’t sink into our brains, and that’s why again and again the hammering is required and these hammerings successfully done by the pages of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, etc.  Bhagavad-gītā we should always have with us. Please keep some small copy, nice Gorakhpur copies are available for 3-4 rupees in India. Here also we can send you, always please those who can read Sanskrit so they can read.  Otherwise try to copy it in English and always keep it with you.  Bhagavad-gītā will give you everything.

Understanding the permanent

It is very nicely said in the scriptures that:
asmin vaye bharata varshe surabhi deva sanskruti

sva katham shravanam pusaam nishphalam janma kirtitam
nishphal – useless. Our birth becomes completely useless if we don’t hear it at least some glorification of the Supreme Absolute Truth – Kṛṣṇa. That’s is the only permanent thing.
aham evāsam evāgre nānyad yat sad-asat param

paścād ahaḿ yad etac ca yo 'vaśiṣyeta so 'smy aham
[Brahma, it is I, the Personality of Godhead, who was existing before the creation, when there was nothing but Myself. Nor was there the material nature, the cause of this creation. That which you see now is also I, the Personality of Godhead, and after annihilation what remains will also be I, the Personality of Godhead.](SB 2.9.33)
He gives in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, He says aham evāsam evāgre, āgre means before the creation.  Before this creation I was existing.  aham evā – certainly, only I and I means person, unless He is a person how can He say I. This is the established reality in the scriptures.  We don’t have to carry on any research. We doubt His existence and that is the way we are getting destroyed. Because we doubt His existence, that’s why our miserable condition is daily at our door step.  As soon as we recognize Him aham evāsam evāgre He says, before this creation I was existing, with this creation I am existing.  matta paratara nānyat[BG 7.7] There is nothing else existing.  This is the reality and paścād, after annihilation of, this whole thing is working on time scale. It has its set time, the same way our body also set time we have and the time is ticking out. We know push button we have in the hall ways somewhere, you push the button for a while the light is there. So the button is ticking out so till that time you have to go out or come in or open your door or whatever. So eventually the button will be completely ticking out and the light will go off.  The same condition we are in.  So He says asmin vaye bharata varshe – those who have got lucky to have the birth in Bharath varsha, the whole planet is known as bharath varsh. We will see how it is known as Bharath varsha. Those who have taken birth in this sva katham shravanam pusaam. If they don’t try to hear anything about Supreme Absolute Truth Kṛṣṇa and realize Him through the pages of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam or Bhagavad-gītā then nishphalam janma kirtitam this birth is completely useless. 
moghāśā mogha-karmāṇo mogha-jñānā vicetasaḥ

rākṣasīm āsurī caiva prakṛtiḿ mohinī śritā
[Those who are thus bewildered are attracted by demonic and atheistic views. In that deluded condition, their hopes for liberation, their fruitive activities, and their culture of knowledge are all defeated.](BG 9.12)
This is our condition. moghāśā we are completely baffled in our hopes. mogha-karmāṇo, all our fruitive activities are defeated. We try to do so many things and everywhere the defeat is there. 
parābhavas tāvad abodha-jāto yāvan na jijñāsata ātma-tattvam

yāvat kriyās tāvad idaḿ mano vai karmātmakaḿ yena śarīra-bandhaḥ
[As long as one does not inquire about the spiritual values of life, one is defeated and subjected to miseries arising from ignorance. Be it sinful or pious, karma has its resultant actions. If a person is engaged in any kind of karma, his mind is called karmatmaka, colored with fruitive activity. As long as the mind is impure, consciousness is unclear, and as long as one is absorbed in fruitive activity, he has to accept a material body.](SB 5.5.5)
 Unless you come to ātma-tattvam the realization of your own Supersoul who is 24 hours a day situated in your own heart “ātma-tattvam”, parābhavas tāvad abodha-jātoabodha-jāto we are completely ajnnaan about this. We are ignorant and because of lack of the inquiry into our own spiritual nature and the nature of the supersoul we are “paraabhava”, always defeated. And “parābhavas” meaning of this word is “parā” “parā” you are separate, and because you are separate you are in “bhava” you are in the material existence.  
What are the types of temporary detachment?

As soon as you come back to Him through the names and through the slokhas, Bhāgavatam and etc., till the time you are together.  Till the time you develop the detachment with the material atmosphere.  We are discussing daily till the time we feel that O! Yes it’s correct.  This is detachment here.

Again we are detached when somebody dies and we see him burning.  Here may be some beautiful box is there to put the dead body in but in India we are very simple.  We can see the dead body and he is tied with the string on bamboo sticks and four people will carry and after death also we are so adamant that the people are chanting “Rāma bolo bhai Rāma”. He says “For you it’s alright, for me no.”  Because the whole body is tied but the neck is bit open. So when they carry they say “Rāma Bolo Bhai Rāma” “no no not for me.”  You are alright, even after death also we don’t take it. [Maharaj laughs].  That’s why for the whole life we are in Australia.  Sri Rāma is in India, not for me, not for me.  In box we can’t see whether neck is out or not, but India is very nice. Death in India is best.  Here you die and immediately you are taken to the hospital. Hey man I told why?  When he is alive you could have taken to the hospital, no, no postmortem.  After death also they will not allow to rest in peace, they will cut here and there, you are vegetarians so what type of stomach you have.  Your stomach will be hanged somewhere, your lungs will hang because you don’t smoke, and so let me see your lungs.  So your lungs are exhibited somewhere – this was a non-smoker. [Maharaj laughs and everyone laughs]. And then they sew you something up and come on get out and we thought Chandulal is back.  Chandulal is not, Chandulal is hanging everywhere. This is the tragedy of the modern civilization. Please that’s why Bharat varsha death is also good.  Once you are dead, nobody would care.  Come on take him off and burn him off.  And we may see and then we realize that time again detachment is there.   As we have detachment in Hari katha more than that we have detachment when we see the body burning and we have unknown idea unknowingly we are very scared that someday I will also be there.  
Then again there is a detachment, there is a horrible detachment we have and that is the in womb of the mother when we are there.  Particularly after six seven months the consciousness develops and then daily the jantu is praying.  We have seen the prayers; please please please, these detachments are very temporary.  Till that time we feel that we have to do something but it doesn’t continue as soon as we leave the hall then again the external energy is there.  Husband is there, wife is there, mother is there, bank balance is there, work is there, everything is there.
What is real detachment and how to develop it?

These scriptures insist that you please understand your own position and the scriptures are very practical.   For our own upliftment they have very kindly cātur-varya mayā sṛṣṭa [BG 4.13]. Kṛṣṇa says that I have divided your own life into four ashramas and your social life into four varnas and this is how this got to be explained to us. What is our position here?  That is why according to age we are fixed in some ashram and according to our taste of work we are fixed in some varna. This must be clear to us. And as soon as this is clear then may the detachment we can work out and it may remains with us all the time.  If the detachment attitude remains with us all the time then we are not excessively attached and the same time you have to remember that detachment is not the carelessness.  There is a vast difference between detachment and the carelessness. You cannot just go home and tell your wife “No, I don’t want to do anything with you now, I am alright till tomorrow morning until breakfast I don’t want you.”  You can’t. Again for breakfast you go. No, no detachment means the clear understanding that everybody is breathing and we can’t do anything about their breathing.  The breathing is goes on because Kṛṣṇa is very merciful.  Till the time the lungs are working the air is going alright and the blood is purified everything is going on.  Our machinery we can’t work on our own and we don’t know what is happening inside.  We are not controllers at all.  To understand this and to have subtle remembrance of this not controlling situation is the detachment.  Detachment should force us to perform our responsibilities to the best of our ability but with the basic idea that we can’t do anything. “I am trying to serve and nothing I can do more.  Please Kṛṣṇa look after these living entities and myself also.”  This is detachment.

This is what is developed by katha. sva katham shravanam pusaam if you don’t hear then nishphalam janma kirtitam like a hogs we come back sleep, eat and go away.  This is our condition and should not be repeated at all.  This is the clear understanding of the detachment and the creation of detachment is through the pages of our shastras.  This is a practical thing and as soon as you have the idea of the detachment the same time you are very careful you are not running away from your responsibilities then your life becomes a bit useful somewhere.  Otherwise running away and coming back, running away and coming back the whole life is completely wasted and not only that you are you wasting your life but side by side all living entities who are around you their life is also wasted. 
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