>Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] Circle and Triangle
>This dropping out resulted in NY stopping the use
From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/3/2006 8:28:00 AM
beautifully recognized our "language of the heart."
member. The Sept. '39 Liberty article drew a
paltry 800 inquiries because the Alcoholic
Foundation address didn't accompany it (and it
took a search effort by its readers!).
A correction came with the March '41 Saturday
Evening Post and its watershed 8,000 inquiries
--the Post staff most likely took notice of
Markey's 1939 piece...
Oursler was a great friend to AA and may have
initially become more interested in our fledgling
Society of ex-drunks after the 1938 Rockefeller
dinner, following the 'buzz' around NYC boardrooms
leading up to the launch of the Big Book. The nudge
to Markey and Liberty from Dr. Towns shows me
that Towns utilized his influence for the benefit
of AA beyond his large purchase of Works Publishing,
And Dr. Silkworth, AA's pioneer friend of modest
means, saved a gift from Oursler, a beautiful
Japanese print and silk scarf that was contributed
to the AA Archives from Chicago AA in 1996 (through
a grand-nephew of Racine, Wisconsin). Silkworth's
letter desk may be all that remains on GSO Archives
display from that transfer, but the gifts speak
volumes of the Oursler-Silkworth friendship.
the Reader's Digest editors that nixed an article
about AA (a non-starter for its readers) around
the same time as the Liberty feature?
recognized its error of omission...
Rick T., Illinois
the beginning of meeti...
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/3/2006 10:39:00 AM
A better question might be.. Was there AA in
Denver in March 1940 or did Mort find AA from
the book and then go to meet Kay Miller and
the LA Mother Group when he arrived in LA?
See Pg 266 of "Pass it On" for the answer.
Shakey Mike Gwirtz
From: email@example.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 12/3/2006 1:23:00 PM
Woodson) in Akron, Mitchell K., Li Lightfoot,
Jim Blair, Rick Clowater, Sherry C. Hartsell,
Tom White, Carole Seddon, and Glenn Chesnut:
(keller of ociofcharlotte.com) wrote:
series set in NY City, uses "qualification" and
"qualifying" in apparent reference to an AA
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (sbanker914 at aol.com)
are the most common form of AA meetings in NYC.
And, yes, a qualification is the telling of the
speaker's "experience, strength and hope" for
about 20 minutes. Most commonly, the
qualification is followed by a "show of hands,"
where members of the meeting share in response
to the speaker's "story."
format is mostly unknown in meetings there.
Even in New Jersey where I currently live, a
"speaker meeting" is that meeting more commonly
known as a "3-speaker meeting" where there is
no response time from the members.
19 years, I am most content and comfortable with
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NEW YORK CITY (BUT NOT MASSACHUSETTS
OR NEW JERSEY)
From: "chris mahl"
(chrismahl at gmail.com)
and 'qualifying' are used everyday. I started in
Massachusetts and New Jersey and didn't recall
ever hearing it before I moved to New York City
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From: Robt Woodson
(wdywdsn at sbcglobal.net)
Akron, Ohio...the portion of a speaker's lead prior
to his or her getting sober is referred to as
"qualifying"...sometimes you hear it said that
a lead is all "qualifying" meaning that there is
very little said about the program or life in
In some instances there is a concern that a
speaker has not "qualified," or shown to the
audience that he too is an alcoholic and given
grounds for the audience to relate to his or
her story. I'm a firm believer that each of
us has, in their own way, "qualified" for our
seats at the meeting. I hope this helps you to
understand the use and perhaps to help gauge
the spread of the term used in the active sense
Woody in Akron
From: "Mitchell K."
(mitchell_k_archivist at yahoo.com)
When Clarence Snyder, originally of Cleveland
took people through their steps they "qualified"
(told their story) to him as a prelude to the
in reference to someone telling their story at
a meeting, with their sponsor or on a 12 Step
call in quite a few places over the years.
From: Li Lightfoot
(li_lightfoot at yahoo.com)
These terms used in this way are common in the
San Francisco Bay Area at present but we also
use "sharing" at a meeting to mean the same
From: James Blair
(jblair at videotron.ca)
In the province of Ontario, Canada, the chairman
at each meeting will "qualify" himself as a
alcoholic by telling a bit of his story. I think
this is the only province in Canada where this
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From: "Rick Clowater"
(clowaters at rogers.com)
I am unsure how the use of "qualifying" is used in
other areas but I do know that here in Ottawa,
Ontario, Canada that the chairperson "qualifies"
as an alcoholic at the beginning of meetings.
the Ottawa Valley area.
I have had to reply to anything on this GREAT site.
Uptown Group (Monday Night)
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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From: "Sherry C. Hartsell"