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for early AA.
But early AA got important ideas from the New Thought

movement also. A good many of Bill W.'s statements

about the nature of God in the Big Book are cast in

New Thought terminology. The same thing could be said

about the second most published AA author, Richmond

Walker, in "Twenty-Four Hours a Day."


The focus in the Big Book on removing resentment and

fear from our lives (in the fourth through seventh

steps) is very much a kind of New Thought approach

to spirituality. By removing the disturbances in our

thoughts, we will heal our lives at every level.
Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana)

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APPENDIX 1: UNITY CHURCH BELIEFS
Five basic Unity Church principles:

1. There is only one Presence and one Power active

as the universe and as my life, God the Good.

2. Our essence is of God; therefore, we are inherently

good. This God essence was fully expressed in Jesus,

the Christ.

3. We are co-creators with God, creating reality

through thoughts held in mind.

4. Through prayer and meditation, we align our

heart-mind with God. Denials and affirmations are

tools we use.

5. Through thoughts, words and actions, we live the

Truth we know.
What are the basic tenets of the Unity teachings?

1. God, Divine Mind, is the Source and Creator of

all. There is no other enduring power. The nature of

God is absolute good; therefore, all manifestations

partake of good. What is called "evil" is a limited or

incomplete expression of God or good. Evil's origin

is ignorance.

2. We are spiritual beings, ideas in the Mind of God,

created in God's image and likeness. The ideal expression

for every human being is the pattern every person is

seeking to bring forth. Each individual manifests the

Christ in his or her own unique fashion. The perfect

expression of the Christ is, therefore, different for

each person.

3. Jesus was a special person in history who expressed

perfection and thereby became the Christ, or Jesus Christ.

He was a Teacher who demonstrated the importance of

thoughts, words, and deeds in shaping the life and world

of the individual.

4. Jesus' teaching was based on prayer, which to Him

was conscious communion with God. Preparation for prayer

involves the use of the spoken word, the creative power

of God, which is made practical through denials and

affirmations. Unity teaches that repeated use of

statements of Truth (denials and affirmations)

establishes right patterns of thinking, feeling, and

acting. This is one way individuals use the creative

power of God to take dominion over mind, body, and

affairs.
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APPENDIX 2: RELIGIOUS SCIENCE (SCIENCE OF MIND) BELIEFS
The Science of Mind is built on the theory that

there is One Infinite Mind which of necessity includes

all that is, whether it be the intelligence in man,

the life in the animal, or the invisible Presence

which is God. In it we learn to have a spiritual

sense of things.


The Science of Mind is intensely practical because

it teaches us how to use the Mind Principle for

definite purposes, such as helping those who are

sick, impoverished, or unhappy. Each one of us should

learn to become a practitioner of this science, a

demonstrator of its Principle, a conscious user of

its Power. Power already exists, but the existence

of Power is of no particular value to us until we

use it. We must not only be conscious of Power, but

we must be actively conscious of it. This is one

of the first lessons we learn in the Science of Mind.
Religious Scientists believe, very simply, that

the Universe is fundamentally spiritual -- it has

intelligence, purpose, beauty and order. Whether we

call it God, spirit, energy, or Universal Intelligence,

every person, place and thing emanates from this

spiritual universe. We believe this Universal

Intelligence is within us, as well as around us,

and that we are conscious of it. The way of life

we teach and practice is learning how to live in

accordance with spiritual principles.


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APPENDIX 3: DIVINE SCIENCE BELIEFS
God is all, both invisible and visible.

One Presence, One Mind, One Power is all.

This One that is all is Perfect Life, Perfect Love,

and Perfect Substance.

Man is the individualized expression of God and

is ever one with this Perfect Life, Perfect Love,

and Perfect Substance.
Life is Continuous.

It proceeds from Divine Life, which is Good in

all its manifestations.

There is only one Power in the Universe, the

Power we call God.

There is no evil except that which is man-made.

The normal state of man is abounding health.

The Divine Purpose is to express the Joy of Life.


The foundation truth of Divine Science is that

limitless Being, God [Good], is equally present

everywhere and is the ALL of everything. God is

pure Spirit, absolute, changeless, eternal, manifesting

in all creation. "God is everywhere, therefore God

is here. What God is is everywhere, therefore what

God is is here."
If Good is omnipresent, what becomes of evil? What

happens to the darkness which fills a room when the

light is turned on? The darkness does not move out

and go somewhere else, it simply does not exist in

the presence of light. Darkness is not a reality, it

is merely the absence of light. In the same way when

the individual thought is centered upon the omnipresence

of good, evil thought does not move out and continue

to exist elsewhere; it simply becomes nonexistent. Evil

has no reality within itself; it can have existence only

so long as an individual supports it by his belief in it.
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++++Message 3776. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Question about AA''s link to

Science of Mind

From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/6/2006 9:12:00 PM
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Hi Mama Duck,
Glenn has given you a good answer re "The Science

of Mind" and I added a brief comment to it. We can't

credit that book with starting AA but I'm sure it

was a great help for many of the early members.


Attending New Thought meetings in New York City

and other places, I discovered that many AA members

are also drawn to them. Marty M., one of the first

women to get sober in AA, told me that her two best

teachers were Bill W. and Raymond Charles Barker,

a Religious Science minister in New York City.


How did you ever get a name like Mama Duck?
Mel Barger
melb@accesstoledo.com

(melb at accesstoledo.com)


----- Original Message -----

From: "mama.duck"

To:

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Question about AA's

link to Science of Mind


> Hi everyone! I'm hoping to learn more about the

> history of AA.

>

> I have a sister-in-law who is big into Science of Mind.



> My husband is in Al-Anon and the three of us often have

> conversations that find phrases and wording to be so similar

> that I once spoke up about it.

>

> She told me that, and I can't remember exactly what she



> said, but in a nutshell she credits Science of Mind for

> the start of AA.

>

> I have limited knowledge of the history of AA but I've



> never heard any connection to Science of Mind. Does

> anyone know what I'm talking about or have any info

> about this?

>

> Thanks a bunch! mama duck


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++++Message 3777. . . . . . . . . . . . History site "Silkworth.net" website

now off line -- Why?

From: Robert Stonebraker . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 5:02:00 AM
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Dear AA Friends,
Does anyone know why one of my favorite sites,

www.silkworth.net, has gone offline?


http://www.silkworth.net/
What sort of infringements are they speaking of

below? Did GSO have anything to do with this?


Thanks for your answer.
Bob Stonebraker
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SILKWORTH.NET IS OFFLINE TILL FURTHER NOTICE.
Please except my apologies for any copyright

infringements that may have occurred. silkworth.net

was created strictly for carrying the message of

Alcoholics Anonymous in hopes that it may have

been of useful help to even a single individual

and nothing more.


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++++Message 3778. . . . . . . . . . . . C. J. Brockwell

From: Lance . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/8/2006 3:02:00 AM


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I would love to learn more about CJ Brockwell! He was my sponor's

sponsor! He was born in 1891 in Brooklyn NY and was "reborn" into

our fellowship in 1935. He was referred to as "AA number 6".

Please


contact me with any information!

All is well here in Colorado Springs AA.

HUGS!!! Lance from colorful Colorado!
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++++Message 3779. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: History of "the Twelve Promises"

From: Lawrence W. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/7/2006 9:49:00 PM


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timderan wrote:
I have another question.
Does anyone know the history of that section of

the Big Book on Pages 83 and 84 that so many call

the Promises?
tmd
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FROM LARRY W. (South Bend, Indiana)
According to my sponsor there is a promise of sorts

after every step. The twelve promises were put in

place to help others see the rewards of working the

steps.
He was there with his sponsor, Dr. Bob.


There was also an argument about whether there are

12 promises, or 13. The sentence before reads

"As God's people we stand on our feet, we don't

crawl before anyone."


It was thought that was a promise also. Anyway since

10, 11, and 12 are maintenance and sharing the program

steps, they wanted the promises to be after the

ninth step.


Larry W.
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FROM THE MODERATOR (Glenn C., South Bend):
Larry's sponsor was Ernie G. (the second Ernie,

from Toledo), one of the good old timers from early

Akron AA.
See "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers," pp. 141, 148,

175, 226, 235, 253, 256, 258, 265, 300, 312-313.


Ernie sponsored Larry in Adrian, Michigan. Larry

says that the young man mentioned on p. 258 was not

him however, because the date (1977) would be wrong

for that.


The first time Larry saw Ernie, he was astounded,

because, he said, "He just seemed to glow with light."

For most of what Ernie taught him, Ernie would say,

"my sponsor told me." Larry finally asked who his

sponsor had been, and Ernie said, "Why, Doctor Bob."
That is why Larry's information is of great historical

importance. Since Dr. Bob wrote almost nothing down,

we are dependent on the witness of those who were

taught by him, in our attempts to determine how he

interpreted the message.
The Tuesday night meeting in Osceola, Indiana,

which Larry attends, reads the Twelve Promises as

thirteen statements, beginning with "As God's people

we stand on our feet; we don't crawl before anyone."


Larry says that one of the first things Ernie said

to him was, "You don't need to betray yourself any

longer."
Those two statements go together, as an important

part of the tradition stemming from Dr. Bob and the

original Akron A.A. group. We can also see it coming

out in Clarence Snyder and many other of the good

old timers from that part of Ohio.
Larry was the one who brought me into the program.
"Shorty" in his email address is a joke. He is 6 feet

6 inches tall (a full two meters tall in his cowboy

boots).
Glenn C.

South Bend, Indiana


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++++Message 3780. . . . . . . . . . . . AA International Conventions - a

list of all of them?

From: righteousthug . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/7/2006 4:08:00 PM
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Should be an easy one for all you 'old pros', but I haven't been able

to come up with a complete list of all our AA International Conventions.


Could someone please assist w/ a list of the years and host cities?
Thank you!
/rt

6/14/88
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++++Message 3781. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: AA International Conventions - a

list of all of them?

From: tomper87 . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 5:57:00 PM
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AA International Conventions
1st 1950 Cleveland, OH

2nd 1955 St. Louis, MO

3d 1960 Long Beach, CA

4th 1965 Toronto, CAN

5th 1970 Miami, FL

6th 1975 Denver, CO

7th 1980 New Orleans, LA

8th 1985 Montreal, CAN

9th 1990 Seattle, WA

10th 1995 San Diego, CA

11th 2000 Minneapolis, MN

12th 2005 Toronto, CAN

13th 2010 San Antonio, TX
--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "righteousthug"

wrote:

>

> Should be an easy one for all you 'old pros', but I haven't been



able

> to come up with a complete list of all our AA International

Conventions.

>

> Could someone please assist w/ a list of the years and host cities?



>

> Thank you!

>

> /rt


> 6/14/88

>
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++++Message 3782. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: History site "Silkworth.net"

website now off line -- Why?

From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 6:59:00 PM
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I have an e-mail into Jim M., the owner of

Silkworth.net asking about what happened. Due to the

nature of the announcement on the site regarding

so-called copyright infringement, I would think that

the legal team at AAWS, Inc. has been spending your

money again silencing AA members. Jim did not change

the message in any way. I am sure that AAWS, INC

wasn't making any MONEY off of the Silkworth site and

since they are protecting their PROPERTY, they used

their PRESTIGE to threaten or actually sue the

Silkworth site. Who is next? Maybe the History Lovers

group? maybe all the other AA related sites on the

net? Maybe only the ones with links to those who speak

out against what is going on at AA HQ?


I've been sharing info with someone on another site

who contacted Mr. Jasper at AAWS and Mr. Jasper denies

that AAWS had anything to do with the court case in

Germany or Mexico despite what documents already

prove. I'm sure that they will feign no knowledge of

what has happened to Silkworth.net.


Who is next? Who else will fall under the hatchet of

the governing body in NYC?


> Dear AA Friends,

>

> Does anyone know why one of my favorite sites,



> www.silkworth.net, has gone offline?

>

> http://www.silkworth.net/



>

> What sort of infringements are they speaking of

> below? Did GSO have anything to do with this?

>

> Thanks for your answer.



>

> Bob Stonebraker

>

> _______________________________________



>

> SILKWORTH.NET IS OFFLINE TILL FURTHER NOTICE.

>

> Please except my apologies for any copyright



> infringements that may have occurred. silkworth.net

> was created strictly for carrying the message of

> Alcoholics Anonymous in hopes that it may have

> been of useful help to even a single individual

> and nothing more.

>

>



>

>
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++++Message 3783. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: C. J. Brockwell

From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 7:03:00 PM


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I met Charlie Brockwell several times. Nell Wing and I

had many conversations about Charlie and the veracity

of his claims. She didn't remember Charlie in any of

the documents..but...who knows?


--- Lance wrote:
> I would love to learn more about CJ Brockwell! He

> was my sponor's

> sponsor! He was born in 1891 in Brooklyn NY and was

> "reborn" into

> our fellowship in 1935. He was referred to as "AA

> number 6". Please

> contact me with any information!

> All is well here in Colorado Springs AA.

> HUGS!!! Lance from colorful Colorado!

>

>



>

>

>



>

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++++Message 3784. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: AA International Conventions

- a list of all of them?

From: William Middleton . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 8:01:00 PM
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My Friend, Tomper87:

And, Atlanta, Georgia, July 2-6, 2015!

"Y'all Come!"

Respectfully,

Bill Middleton

Area 16 2015 International Bid Committee


tomper87 wrote:
AA International Conventions
1st 1950 Cleveland, OH

2nd 1955 St. Louis, MO

3d 1960 Long Beach, CA

4th 1965 Toronto, CAN

5th 1970 Miami, FL

6th 1975 Denver, CO

7th 1980 New Orleans, LA

8th 1985 Montreal, CAN

9th 1990 Seattle, WA

10th 1995 San Diego, CA

11th 2000 Minneapolis, MN

12th 2005 Toronto, CAN

13th 2010 San Antonio, TX
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++++Message 3785. . . . . . . . . . . . C. J. Brockwell photos

From: Lance Weldgen . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 10:27:00 PM


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Hi Mitchell!
I have 2 photos and a percil art sketch of done by

my (now deceased) sponsor. If you'd like I can email

them to you...let me know.
My sponsor had CJ as his sponsor. He was AA number 6.
Looking forward to hearing back!

Thank you.


Lance Weldgen

Colorado Springs

formerly Chico, CA
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PLEASE SEND REQUESTS DIRECTLY TO LANCE AT:
lance_1954@yahoo.com (lance_1954 at yahoo.com)
THE YAHOO SYSTEM PENDING MESSAGE LIST HAS NO

"FORWARD" BUTTON.


Glenn C. (Moderator)
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++++Message 3786. . . . . . . . . . . . Ninth Step Promises.

From: CBBB164@AOL.COM . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/9/2006 7:49:00 PM


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There are many more Promises in the Basic Text for Alcoholics Anonymous than

those referred to as the "Ninth Step Promises." And there are more

than

twelve of them..Let's count.


(1) If we are painstaking about this phase of our development, we will be

amazed before we are half way through.


(2)We are going to know a new freedom and a new happiness.
(3)We will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it.
(4)We will comprehend the word serenity and we will know peace.
(5) No matter how far down the scale we have gone, we will see how our

experience can benefit others.


(6)That feeling of uselessness and self-pity will disappear.
(7)We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our fellows.
(8)Self-seeking will slip away.
(9)Our whole attitude and outlook upon life will change.
(10)Fear of people and of economic insecurity will leave us.
(11)We will intuitively know how to handle situations which used to baffle

us.
(12)We will suddenly realize that God is doing for us what we could not do

for ourselves.
Are these extravagant promises? We think not.
(13)They are being fulfilled among us - sometimes quickly, sometimes slowly.
(14)They will always materialize if we work for them.
In God's love and service,
Cliff Bishop

cbbb164@aol.com

Home (214) 350-1190

Cell (214) 352-5371

_www.ppgaadallas_ (http://www.ppgaadallas/) .org
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++++Message 3787. . . . . . . . . . . . History of "the Twelve Promises"

From: ROGER WHEATLEY . . . . . . . . . . . . 10/10/2006 2:08:00 PM


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THis may be semantics, but I am intrigued by this discussion and the credit

given to the oral history tracing this 12 vs. 13 promises back to Dr. Bob

and

early Akron AA. I have heard many versions throughout the years, perhaps



because much of our history is oral and our reliance on healing through

storytelling.


When I moved to Europe, the group in Belgium, the SHAPE Group, at the NATO

Headquarters in Mons read the promises beginning with that phrase.


I have travelled around and seen AA done enough different ways, all

successful

that there is little in format I gripe about anymore if the spirit of AA is

present. However, this struck me as odd because this takes the last sentence

of

a paragraph above it and uses it for an introduction to the next paragraph



completely out of context. While i dont doubt the validity of the claim that

early AAs discussed 12 vs. 13 promises, I doubt the author/authors or those

helping Bill in the editing process meant this as a promise. By the

structure

in fact I tend to doubt that they anticipated they would be numbered at all

by

us who arrived later.


There is a strikingly similar paragraph in Emmet Fox's Sermon on the Mount

listing a group of promises or metaphysical outcomes if you practice some

simple

spiritual principles, but for the life of me I cannot find the page number




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