multi-lith - which was one step up from mimeograph).
I have a scan of a small "Inventory Guide" that was
used in conjunction
with the APOAR book, but was not part of their
materials. I'll send a
copy of the scan with this message for Glenn to see if
it would be
appropriate to post to the group's Files section
I have pulled a good deal from their book for working
with the men I
have sponsored over the years. The focus is on a
THOROUGH 4th, followed
by 5 thru 9 give a foundation for recovery. The ones
who have gone
through a solid 9th tend to stick around and stay
sober. In myh own
experiences - which is just one drunk - everyone who
has stopped somewhere
between 5 and 9 have gone back out.
Hope that helps.
Is anyone familiar with APOAR(Applied Principles
of Alcoholic Recovery) by Robert Emmett Rack and
if it is still being used in Prisons and
I'm not in "the field" but have looked at what he
has written and wonder about its success.
A closed mouth gathers no feet.
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++++Message 3701. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Richard Peabody died drunk?
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/11/2006 12:53:00 PM
I have found only indirect, not direct, references about Peabody but
they seem to add some substance to the probability that he didn't stay
sober. Again though in fairness, I've not yet encountered "proof
positive." It reminds me somewhat of the assertions regarding Rowland
H and whether he died sober or not - I've seen what appears to be
credible reporting on both sides. However, in the message where I said
that Peabody died drunk I really should have said that Peabody may
have died drunk based on anecdotal reports.
I doubt strongly that the absence of the word "alcoholism"
specifically stated on a death certificate would serve to prove that
Peabody died sober. For example, people die of emphysema (such as Ebby
T and Bill W) yet the death certificate might show heart failure or
something else as opposed to "smoking" as the cause of death. The
effects of alcoholism on the body is equally pernicious in causing
death as a consequence of high blood pressure, diabetes, cirrhosis and
a host of other maladies that would likely not be described as
"alcoholism" on a death certificate.
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mel Barger
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Richard Peabody died drunk?
I believe the article you referred to was written by Kathy McCarthy,
who is the daughter of the late Ray McCarthy, a pioneer in alcoholism
I knew Kathy about 20 years ago but haven't been in touch with her
I don't have the article at hand but I seem to remember that she
said something like "it is commonly believed that Peabody died
or something like that.
"Commonly believed" is hearsay and not real verification. Nell
Wing also thought Peabody drank again, but had no proof of it. I'm
suspecting that all this may have been rumor from an early AA such as
Jim Burwell, who may or may not have had proof to support the claim.
In fairness to Peabody's memory, somebody ought to track this down
to determine what was the real cause of Peabody's death, as reported
on his death certificate.
Unless alcoholism was specifically stated there, we cannot assume he
actually went back to drinking.
Thanks to the person who brought up this question.
I am using my First ed., First Printing of both of
these books. Mine does certainly have both stories
printed, the BB is on page 219, ESandH is on pg. 256.
Both are in Table of contents, and in the book itself.
The description given on the front Book cover,
first sentence, says, "The collection of stories
offers back to the AA fellowship the experience of
56 members whose stories are no longer available
in the book Alcoholics Anonymous."
In 2006 this is the first notice I have heard,
I guess that means I haven't made much use of the
new book. OOOPS!
Hope Baton Rouge is a fun, informative time for
all who can make it there. Enjoy!
L and S,
++++Message 3706. . . . . . . . . . . . Is AAWS tightening up restrictions
From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/14/2006 12:21:00 AM
I got an e-mail from someone asking if I've heard that AAWS is pulling
permission to reprint anything they "own." Grapevine articles,
by Bill etc. He said that AAWS alone from now on will be the sole
source of anything related to AA.
Anyone hear of this?
++++Message 3707. . . . . . . . . . . . Culture Alcohol and Society Quarterly
From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/14/2006 10:39:00 AM
For those HistoryLovers who might be interested (the newsletter
contains occasional articles on AA history, tho' recently more on the