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fact,


would have been

enormous. I very much doubt that there was anything to the claim, and Irving

Fisher

certainly presented enough evidence to refute it. Lambert, however, spoke



before

a

congressional committee on the matter. At issue was the limit to the amount



of

alcohol


that could be prescribed, at that time about a fifth per patient per ten

days.


Lambert

thought it should be increased.


Samuel Lambert's brother was Alexander Lambert (I wonder if they ever got

together over

holidays?), medical director of Town's hospital. Dr. Alexander Lambert was a

prominent

advocate of Prohibition. During the time Irving Fisher wrote about their

dispute, Fisher's

nephew Rowland Hazard III was a patient of Dr. Samuel Lambert, among other

doctors


(Rhode Island Historical Society papers). In that family, the issue was

indeed


discussed but

apparently no one's mind was changed by the discussion.


So, I'm wondering if there is necessarily any incompatibility between the

story


that

Peabody died of pneumonia and the story that he was drinking at the time?

Perhaps

legitimate medical authority encouraged him to make an exception to his



normal

rule


against alcohol consumption, because of pneumonia, another illness, or even

old


age?

Rightly or wrongly.


>

> Later in the paper:

>

> "Although Peabody's method was widely practiced for about two



decades,

> little is known of its overall therapeutic success, and an accurate

> guess is impossible at this date. Marty Mann concluded that Peabody

> and his therapists "accomplished a heroic work during the 1930's,

when

> little else was being done for alcoholics"


If Marty Mann really believed that no one else was doing anything for

alcoholics

in the

1930's, it could be because what they were doing failed to help her. This



should

probably


not be taken too literally.
Cora
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++++Message 3664. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Identifying Big Book first

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From: Jon Markle . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/3/2006 7:16:00 PM
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Some meetings in the Cleveland/Akron area still use "experience"

rather than "awakening". And some groups use "a result"

instead of

"the result" . . .


Jon Markle

9/9/82


Raleigh
On Aug 28, 2006, at 8:30 PM, DudleyDobinson@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Bob

>

> Thanks for your insight on the differences between



> the first and later printings of the Big Book.

> I have probably One of the few copies of "Big Red"

> in Ireland and will almost certainly donate it some

> time in the near future. When and to whom is my

> current dilemma.

>

> Perhaps the most important change made to the First



> printing which you did not mention was the change

> in the Twelfth step from "experience" to

"awakening"

> and the addition of an appendix on the subject added

> in the Second printing.

>

> I believe it was pointed out to Bill W. that he



> had his spiritual experience before the steps were

> written. Also some members thought they could not

> recover if they did not that type of experience.

>

> In fellowship - Dudley D.


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++++Message 3665. . . . . . . . . . . . First World Conference transcripts

From: abigapple2002 . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/29/2006 1:16:00 PM


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I know that when the Traditions were accepted by the fellowship, Bill

had one speaker talk about two traditions in each talk. I was

wondering if anyone might know how to find transcripts or tapes of

those talks. Thank you very much.


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++++Message 3666. . . . . . . . . . . . "The AA Way Of Life/As Bill Sees It"

From: pnwnatives . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/30/2006 11:00:00 AM


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I am trying to find out when the first printing of

"As Bill Sees It" was first printed.


I would also be interested in any information that

is available regarding the change in names. Was the

first printing of "As Bill Sees It" a first printing

or was it carried on from "The AA Way Of LIfe"?


Any information would be appreciated.
Bob W
_______________________
From the moderator:
Bob,
If you do a search through the past Messages,

there are three messages that seem to be relevant

to answering part of your question.
Message 2519
1967 - The AA Way of Life (retitled in 1975 to

As Bill Sees It) was published.


Message 589
Janet G. - she and Bill, edited A.A. Way Life,

became As Bill Sees It (G 27) (P 360)


Message 164
Grapevine: Weren't there a number of projects

Bill wanted to get to in the years following

Dr. Bob's death?
Nell Wing: In 1954, Bill had the idea of creating

a writing and research team to help him with, among

other things, a major history of AA. Bill's

depression was still with him and he knew that if

he could give a lot of time to doing something

specific and keep at it, that would help the

depression. He wanted to do a good, thorough history

and also put together a new edition of the Big Book.

The scope of the history project proved to be

too much, though, and had to be scaled back.

Nevertheless, the result was AA Comes of Age. The

new edition of the Big Book finally did get

completed, and Bill was also eager to do a summing

up of what he had learned, the wisdom that had

come up through the Fellowship. He had a very precise

idea of the kind of book he wanted to write, but

he wasn't able to do it. In the end, what took its

place was As Bill Sees It - not a bad substitute!

_______________________
As far as I know, there has been no discussion

however of why the title was changed from

"The AA Way of Life" to "As Bill Sees It."
Can any of the members of this group help us

out here?


Glenn C., Moderator

AAHistoryLovers


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++++Message 3667. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: History of closed and open

discussion meetings

From: David G. . . . . . . . . . . . . 8/29/2006 1:44:00 AM
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Dear Jerry and all,
On pages 237 and 238, Chapter XVIII; The wives'

role in early A.A.; and also a quote from page 242,

Chapter XIX; Minorities within A.A. gain acceptance;

from the book, "Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers:


...pg 237--In Akron in the very early days, alcoholics

had almost no say. Their wives got them to the

meetings, which were, in turn, run by Oxford

Groupers. The men chafed a bit, but allowed it to

go on. When the A.A.'s did break away from the O.G.,

their wives very likely had a lot to do with

the move, as I we have seen.
Then, especially as single men and women alcoholics

began coming into the program, there was friction

with the wives. (inserted by Dave-see quote from

page 242, below) This resulted in "closed meetings"

for alcoholics only, as well as "open meetings" at

which the nonalcoholic wives were not allowed to

speak, Later, the situation was to balance out,

with the establishment of such compromises as

"open discussion meetings," in which wives and other

nonmembers, were invited to participate.


pg 238
"When they had this AI-Anon and Alateen, I thought

it was a wonderful idea," said Elgie.

Al-Anon Family Groups took its present form in 1951,

though "family groups" composed of A.A. members'

relatives had been developing over the preceding

years! It soon became a source of help for wives

and others close to drinking alcoholics, as well as

to those sober in A.A. The special needs of alcoholics'

teenage children were answered in 1957 by the

formation of Alateen, a part of AI-Anon.! Both use

the A.A. program with only slight adaptation, but

are entirely separate from A.A.


I think now what a relief it would have been if

I could have gone in a program that would have kept

me occupied," Elgie said. "That's why I got involved.

I wanted to help. It wasn't that common. There

were two or three of us who did it.
"Dr. Bob said that when you come into A.A. and

your husband has been drinking, you are at the point

where you are as crazy as he is," said Elgie,

"and it is going to take you a long time to look

at things normally.
"He also said that the man won't stay sober if the

wife, isn't with him, And the families won't get

back together unless everybody works at it.. That

was the way he put it. Nothing fancy. Just practical

psychology."
also from page 242 of the same book: "the thing

that bothered him {inserted by Dave, (Dr. Bob)} was

that most of the women came in with the label

‘nymphomaniac. Most of the wives would back away,

and the men got leery because they were afraid they

would get into some situation. So, in the beginning,

the woman was looked on as trouble. Nobody wanted

to handle it."


I hope you find this helpful.
Yours in service,
Dave G.

___________________________________


Jerry wrote:
CLOSED MEETINGS

From "jerry"

(jerrytwotord at hotmail.com)
Hello group
Perhaps someone can help me here. All the reading

I've done on our founders seems to point to the fact

that our first meetings be they AA or Oxford Group

meetings were family affairs. If this is so, just where

did the "closed" meeting come in and for what purpose?
Is there any documentation of this? Any help is

appreciated.


Jerry

______________________________


OPEN DISCUSSION MEETINGS

From "abigapple2002"

(abigapple2002 at yahoo.com)
O.K., so I've heard a variety of opinions on whether or

not we should have some meetings which are "open

discussion meetings."
I've also heard a variety of "facts" as to when and

how they came about. I thought you all would be a

little more reliable in this case as to when the first

open discussion meeting came about, where

and possibly even why.
Thanks a lot. I've just passed three years, and really

beginning to have a "thirst" for AA history. Thanks

to all of you for being here and being willing to share

what you've found.


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++++Message 3668. . . . . . . . . . . . If you want to keep it...

From: CBBB164@AOL.COM . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/3/2006 5:31:00 PM


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Bill wrote it first. "You have to give it away..."
The phrase "you have to give it away to keep it" is

a short version of the message in the story about

the prospector on pages 128-129 in the Big Book:

the gold mine he has found "will pay dividends only

if he ... insists on giving away the entire product."
(Big Book pp. 128-129) "Like a gaunt prospector,

belt drawn in over the last ounce of food, our pick

struck gold. Joy at our release from a lifetime of

frustration knew no bounds. Father feels he has

struck something better than gold. For a time he may

try to hug the new treasure to himself. He may not

see at once that he has barely scratched a limitless

lode which will pay dividends only if he mines it

for the rest of his life and insists on giving away

the entire product."


In God's love and service,
Cliff Bishop

Home - (214) 350-1190

Cell - (214) 532-5371

FAX - (214) 350-1190

CBBB164@aol.com

www.ppgaadallas.org


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++++Message 3669. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "The AA Way Of Life/As Bill Sees

It"


From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/3/2006 9:44:00 PM
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At 10:00 8/30/2006 , pnwnatives wrote:
>I am trying to find out when the first printing of

>"As Bill Sees It" was first printed.

>

>I would also be interested in any information that



>is available regarding the change in names. Was the

>first printing of "As Bill Sees It" a first printing

>or was it carried on from "The AA Way Of LIfe"?

>

>Any information would be appreciated.



>

>Bob W
I suppose it depends on how you define your terms.


The book had titles in five places: The front of the dust jacket; The

spine of the dust jacket; The front board of the book; The spine of the

book, and; The half-title page.
The first printing that has "As Bill Sees It" in all five places

is the


Seventh Printing 1976.
The Sixth Printing 1975 has "As Bill Sees It," as well as

"The A.A. Way of

Life" on the front of the dust jacket and ABSI on the spine of the DJ,

but


has AAWoL in the other three locations.
I have been told that the first time "As Bill Sees It" appeared

was on the

cover of the Fourth Printing 1972. I do not have a copy of the Third, but

it is indeed on the DJ of the Fourth.


The current printings still have "The A.A. Way of Life" on the

title page.


The very first printing of the volume was in 1967.
I hope this helps.
Tommy H in Baton Rouge
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++++Message 3670. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "The AA Way Of Life/As Bill Sees

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From: The Wilsons . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/4/2006 12:30:00 PM
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Tom,
Thanks for the insight. I hadn't thought to much about what I was

asking I guess. I found out from GSO that the idea of changing it

started to be discussed in February of 1970. In June of 1970 several

names (A. A. Day by Day, A. A. For Today, 331 Thoughts From Bill or 500

Thoughts From Bill, A Reader By Bill, As Bill Says, Bills Reader,

Inspiration From Bill and Bill Writes On The A. A. Way Of Life). It was

decided that the new title should be "Day By Day By Bill" and to

keep


"The A. A. Way Of Life" as a sub title.
In the 1970 fall literature catalog, the book is titled "As Bill Sees

It".
Our district has a copy of the third printing that is signed by several

A. A. members from Seattle Washington. The remarks are directed towards

congratulating the the member with suggesting the name that was

selected. This why I was interested in finding out more about the name

change.
Bob Wilson

Port Orchard WA
Tom Hickcox wrote:

> At 10:00 8/30/2006 , pnwnatives wrote:

>

>

>> I am trying to find out when the first printing of



>> "As Bill Sees It" was first printed.

>>

>> I would also be interested in any information that



>> is available regarding the change in names. Was the

>> first printing of "As Bill Sees It" a first printing

>> or was it carried on from "The AA Way Of LIfe"?

>>

>> Any information would be appreciated.



>>

>> Bob Wilson


>

> I suppose it depends on how you define your terms.

>

> The book had titles in five places: The front of the dust jacket;



> The spine of the dust jacket; The front board of the book; The spine

> of the book, and; The half-title page.

>

> The first printing that has "As Bill Sees It" in all five



places is

> the Seventh Printing 1976.

>

> The Sixth Printing 1975 has "As Bill Sees It," as well as



"The A.A.

> Way of Life" on the front of the dust jacket and ABSI on the spine

of

> the DJ, but has AAWoL in the other three locations.



>

> I have been told that the first time "As Bill Sees It"

appeared was on

> the cover of the Fourth Printing 1972. I do not have a copy of the

> Third, but it is indeed on the DJ of the Fourth.

>

> The current printings still have "The A.A. Way of Life" on



the title

> page.


>

> The very first printing of the volume was in 1967.

>

> I hope this helps.



>

> Tommy H in Baton Rouge

>

>
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++++Message 3671. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: "The AA Way Of Life/As Bill Sees

It"


From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/4/2006 10:26:00 AM
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Hi Bob
The "AA Way of Life" was first published in 1967. Janet G assisted

with editing (reference "AA Comes of Age" pg x, and "Pass It

On" pg

360). The book had not yet been distributed as of the month of the



Conference (April) so my assumption is that it likely started being

distributed mid-1967. It was Bill's 6th and last book. The final

report of the 1967 General Service Conference reported the following:
The Literature Committee of the General Service Conference took the

following actions:


Reported that 'The A.A. Way of Life' is anticipated with great

interest in all areas; noted enthusiastic reception of comic-book

pamphlet, "What Happened to Joe"; voiced high hopes for

"Newcomers

Meeting Kit." and expressed interest in upcoming revisions of

"A.A.


For the Woman," "Young People in A.A." and "Questions

and Answers on

Sponsorship."
The General Service Board Policy Committee also reported the "Passage

of a resolution commending Janet G. and Bill W. for their work in

compiling the new book, "A.A. Way of Life."
Technically, the book was Conference-approved in 1952. A special

trustees committee on literature reported to the 1952 Conference on

recommendations for literature to be retained and new literature that

would be needed. Bill W also reported on the many literature projects

that he was engaged in. One of Bill's projects was described as "A

book on the application of AA philosophy to the total problem of

living." The trustee's recommendations and Bill's projects were

approved by the Conference unanimously. By approving literature to be

retained, the 1952 Conference retroactively approved the Big Book and

several existing pamphlets which included the long form of the

Traditions.
"Pass It On" (pg 360) states that the title "AA Way of

Life" was

changed to "As Bill Sees It" in 1975. This is not correct. The

final


report of the 1971 General Service Conference started using the title

"As Bill Sees It (AA Way of Life)." The parenthetical reference to

"AA

Way of Life" was dropped in the 1972 Conference report.


There is no specific Conference advisory action that authorized the

title change to the book. The 1970 Conference report still referenced

the title as "The AA Way of Life." My assumption is that the

trustees


changed the title in 1971 as a memorial to Bill W (who passed away on

January 23, 1971).


It was also one of the books that Bill and Lois received royalty

payments on (the others were the Big Book, the 12and12 and "AA Comes

of

Age"). The royalties were based on the English language versions of



the books sold.
Cheers

Arthur
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From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pnwnatives

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:00 AM

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] "The AA Way Of Life/As Bill Sees It"
I am trying to find out when the first printing of "As Bill Sees

It"


was first printed.
I would also be interested in any information that is available

regarding the change in names. Was the first printing of "As Bill Sees

It" a first printing or was it carried on from "The AA Way Of

LIfe"?
Any information would be appreciated.


Bob W
_______________________
From the moderator:
Bob,
If you do a search through the past Messages, there are three messages

that seem to be relevant to answering part of your question.


Message 2519
1967 - The AA Way of Life (retitled in 1975 to As Bill Sees It) was

published.


Message 589
Janet G. - she and Bill, edited A.A. Way Life, became As Bill Sees It (G

27) (P 360)


Message 164
Grapevine: Weren't there a number of projects Bill wanted to get to in

the years following Dr. Bob's death?


Nell Wing: In 1954, Bill had the idea of creating a writing and

research team to help him with, among

other things, a major history of AA. Bill's

depression was still with him and he knew that if he could give a lot

of time to doing something specific and keep at it, that would help

the depression. He wanted to do a good, thorough history and also put

together a new edition of the Big Book.

The scope of the history project proved to be too much, though, and

had to be scaled back.

Nevertheless, the result was AA Comes of Age. The new edition of the

Big Book finally did get completed, and Bill was also eager to do a

summing up of what he had learned, the wisdom that had come up through

the Fellowship. He had a very precise idea of the kind of book he

wanted to write, but he wasn't able to do it. In the end, what took

its place was As Bill Sees It - not a bad substitute!

_______________________


As far as I know, there has been no discussion however of why the

title was changed from "The AA Way of Life" to "As Bill Sees

It."
Can any of the members of this group help us out here?
Glenn C., Moderator

AAHistoryLovers


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