1955. HE SPENT THE REST OF HIS LIFE TRYING TO HELP THE ALCOHOLIC FOR WHOM AA
NOT WORK. Thats really what the sub-secret LSD papers at Stepping Stones
Its also what the enormous work he did on nicotinic acid aka niacin aka
B-3 and its effect on Alcoholism.
++++Message 3038. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Alcohol left in food after
From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/8/2006 11:04:00 AM
I have saved an article titled "Food Science" published in Science
136 11/11/89 reporting on the annual meeting of the American Dietetic
Association in Kansas City, MO. It states in part:
"Though simmering a pot roast at 185 deg.F for 2 1/2 hours removed 95%
the red wine added, 25 minutes of baking at 375 deg.F retained 45% of the
dry sherry in scalloped oysters."
Other 'stics quoted are similar to the other article posted.
++++Message 3039. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Alcohol left in food after
From: Liz Barrett, True Function of Virtue . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/8/2006
Thank you for this information. Just FYI: This data was initially
established by FDA research; a study was subsequently published in
the April 1992 edition of the Journal of the American Dietetic
Association (JADA). I was able to find the citation on PubMed, but
JADA issues prior to 1993 are not available online. If anyone would
like to read the study at a library, the citation is: J Am Diet
Assoc. 1992 Apr;92(4):486-8. The authors are: Augustin J, Augustin
From: Jon Markle . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/8/2006 7:51:00 PM
That's a pretty wild claim.
Can you site the page and reference for this, please (using the DSM-IV-TR,
is the most current edition).
I've always used the two books as mutually complementary. I have never found
any incongruence between the two approaches with diagnostics or treatment
But, I'm willing to learn something new . . . . Thanks,
> From: "Mitchell K."
> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:15:01 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] DSM-IV definitions: Abuse vs. Dependence
> PLEASE NOTE. If using the DSM IV as any sort of
> defining guideline for alcoholism one must remember
> the following: The DSM does state that a person can
> remain in total remission from alcohol dependence and
> continue drinking as long as they do not exhibit the
> criteria used for the diagnosis of dependence.
> Abstinence from the use of beverage alcohol does not
From: dayatatime1950 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/10/2006 11:23:00 PM
Hi All -
The scientific literature abounds with research results regarding
the desease models for alcoholism. You can find excellent reviews
of these results written for general audiences in two books (both
available from Amazon.com):
Under the Influence : A Guide to the Myths and Realities of
Alcoholism (Paperback)by Milam and Ketchum
Beyond the Influence : Understanding and Defeating Alcoholism -- by
Katherine Ketcham, et al; Paperback by Ketchum et. al.
The second book is fairly recent and covers information reported
since the first book came out in the late 1970s. Neither qualifies
as a citation from the scientific literature but both are well
researched and cite leading references.
If you have access to a university library you might look at:
M. Heilig and M. Egli "Models for Alcohol Dependence: A Clinical
Perspective" in "Drug Discovery Today: Disease Models" Vol 2,
I can provide this article as a pdf file to any interested members of
this group. It contains 45 citations to recent scientific
publications and will be a good starting point for anyone interested
in delving into the (voluminous) primary scientific literature
From: mr.grassroots . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/8/2006 11:29:00 PM
Hope this finds all well with everyone -
Just wondering if anyone has any information concerning the 1957
Harper Brothers printing of Alcoholics Anonymous Comes of Age?
Particularly trying to find out the number of these Harper's printings
++++Message 3047. . . . . . . . . . . . James Houck and Bill at Maryland OG
From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/10/2006 10:08:00 AM
From Jared L., Susan K., Bill H., Cheryl F., and Tommy H. -- comments on
From: "jlobdell54" (jlobdell54 at
While I hold no particular brief for James Houck and none for
BtoB, I should point out that Bill and Fitz did go to OG House Parties in MD
(including Frederick) certainly in 1935-36 and possibly 1936-1937.
But the trips they took began at Fitz's farm in Cumberstone,
and while Fitz's son remembered Bill coming down and Bill and Fitz
spending time together at the farm before they went off house-partying (Fitz
was 13-14 at the time), to the best of his knowledge no one named James
was ever at the house, nor did he ever hear the name.
He has vivid memories of Bill and Fitz playing fiddle and banjo
and singing in the parlor, with Bill singing Northern songs and Fitz
singing Southern songs.
He remembers Jim B and Jim's cousin Churchy --but no James Houck.
He could of course have attended House Parties where Bill and Fitz were
-- probably did -- but not with them in any strong sense of the word with.
-- Jared Lobdell
From: "Susan Krieger" (susank at qis.net)
James Houck came into the Baltimore AA office about 15 years ago or so. I
don't remember the exact year. His grandson is a member of AA. He wanted to
post his sobriety anniversary and would have made his sobriety older than
1935 or the beginning of AA. He said that he attended the Oxford Group. He
may have just started at that time to attend our local meetings. We would
not list his sobriety date to be older than AA. He has listed his name a
couple of times. I have had several calls about who was he. No one in this
area knew JH. I was at a Convention where in a count down he took away being
the oldest member of AA from our well known members. When he was in the
Office I asked him if he had ever had a drinking problem. His answer to me
was "I had an honesty problem."
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (billherold1017 at aol.com)
My name is Bill H. from Area 29 Maryland.
As chairperson of the archives, I interviewed James Houck for ten hours. The
only real thing I got out of the interview is that he knew Bill W and Fitz
M. ( Our Southern Friend) from going to Oxford group meetings in Frederick,
Maryland. Bill would come down to Fitz's house outside of Annapolis and they
drive to Frederick, Maryland.
James Houck never mentioned a thing about being a recovering alcoholic in AA
and to my recollection of the tape, never attended AA His only claim to
fame is to be one of the only living people to know Bill and Fitz All he
about was the Oxford Group and he really did not have much real regard for
From: "Cheryl F"
(learning3legacies at cox.net)
That friend of James Houck's is Wally and yes he is still alive and for what
it's worth there is a grievance file through GSO about those workshops.
From: Tommy H. (recoveredbygrace at
Several years ago I attended Wally`s Back to the Basics one day
workshop in Wilmington,NC.
James H. could not appear in person, but he did
address the crowd of around 100 AA men and women by
teleconference from the rest home he is staying at. I have never heard
James say he was an active member of AA, but I have heard him say he had
spoke in numerous one day workshops hosted by Wally P. Those workshops
were mostly attended by AA`s. I have copies of several tapes of some of
those talks. Those talk were given in several formats, including a
From: Jay Lawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/11/2006 11:16:00 AM
The thought and answer I come up with is 'because Henry P. wrote the chapter
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:50 AM
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Crooked thinking
hi history lovers,
Page 140 of To Employers says: "Can it be appreciated that he has been
a victim of crooked thinking, directly caused by the action of alcohol
on his brain?"
One of our members asked why would Bill put such an important piece of
information in the chapter to employers,instead of perhaps one of the
chapters at the beginning of the book.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks from Tracy
The Barking Big Book Study Group
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++++Message 3051. . . . . . . . . . . . A better scientific citation
regarding Genetics of Alcoholism
From: dayatatime1950 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/11/2006 11:27:00 PM
Hi All -
I have had a lot of responses to my earlier posting regarding
scientific evidence of the genetics of alcoholism. As a result I have gone
to the literature and looked for a more seminal publication with a more
treatment. Truth be told, looking stuff up is kind of a hobby of mine.
Anyway, I have found:
"The genetics of alcoholism" Current Opinion in Genetics and
8, Issue 3, June 1998, Pages 282-286
Alison M Goate and Howard J Edenberg
Again, I can supply anyone who is interested with a pdf file of this
article if you will write to me direct at:
(dayatatime1950 at yahoo.com)
It is much more readable than the other article I cited
previously. In it the authors state "evidence from twin, adoption and
stuides suggest alcoholism is a complex trait resulting from the action of
multiple interacting genes and the environment". They go on to describe