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++++Message 3616. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: How do we meditate according to
the 11th Step?
From: Tom White . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/29/2006 8:32:00 PM
A sort of mystery hangs over the word meditation and there must be
10,000 definitions floating around. About all I have learned in my 40-
odd years in the program is "to turn my thoughts to God, as I
understand him" and not to worry. There is a vast literature on this
in old Roman Catholicism and even some modern writings. A tremendous
amount in Eastern Orthodox writings (The Philokalia -- sp?). I guess not
so much on the Prot. side of the ledger. The Hindus "wrote the
on it, and modern Hindus (Ramana Maharshi, Ramakrishna, etc., are
often very helpful to a Westerner. Something I'd like to recommend to
anyone is Brother Lawrence's Practice of the Presence of God. But the
early AAs, under O.G. influence, did (usually) a brief Bible reading
and then went into "Quiet Time," time variable, but 10 or 20
is what seems to have been common, and had notebook and pen or pencil
in hand to write down thoughts or "guidance." Over time a sort of
learning occurs on the very question you ask, how to do meditation.
any level you are blocks ahead of not doing it at all. Very best, Tom W.
++++Message 3617. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The Traditions/cross talk
Hi John and John - this is a very long reply to both your messages
To John L
My personal indoctrination and introduction to the term
(in both California and Texas) had to do with the rude and
inconsiderate practice of members at a meeting either talking in the
background at the same time another member was called on to speak, or
members getting into a debate back and forth at a meeting and not
letting other members participate in the discussions.
How "most of the Traditions developed as the result of cross-talk"
how "cross-talk has a rich history in the Fellowship" and how
based practitioners" enter the picture to have any relevance at all
with the Traditions escapes me. I don't know where you are finding
information or mention, or even implication, of the notion of
something called "cross-talk" in the 12and12 or any other AA (or
publication on having any linkage at all with the Traditions. If I'm
mistaken in my assessment of this, I'd very much appreciate your
citing some written source(s) so that I can better educate myself as
to where this rich history is documented. Otherwise, I would appeal
for restraint in presenting something as historical fact when it is
premised on editorial imagination and lacks substantiation.
To John S
How the story of Bill's job offer to join Towns Hospital wound up in
the 12and12 Tradition 2 essay (pages 136-138)is explained in a fuller
context in "AA Comes of Age" (pages 100-102). Bill sums up his