From: John Lee . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/29/2006 2:51:00 PM
It's interesting to note that, as set forth in 12and12, most of the
developed as the result of "cross-talk", whether it was taking a
job at Towns
Hospital or considering a position as an "AA" spokesman for the
Cross- talk has a rich history in the Fellowship. It's been given an
bad name by therapy-based practicioners in the treatment industry.
where the Allegheny meets the Monongahela, to form the Ohio
I was recently asked about the text of tradition two in the 12x12.
Specifically I was asked if I knew who it was Bill was referring to
when he wrote: "Almost timidly, one of my friends began to speak."
137 Also they were curious as to why Bill mentions this story about
being offered a position at Townes Hospital in the text of tradition 2
instead of either tradition 6 (Never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A.
name to any related facility or outside enterprise etc.) or tradition 8
(Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional etc.)
unless it's to emphasize the point of a "Loving God as he may express
himself through our group conscience" being the guiding forcxe of A.A.
Can any of you learned folks answer these two questions?
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++++Message 3614. . . . . . . . . . . . How do we meditate according to the
From: jsmaranatha . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/20/2006 8:37:00 PM
Is there anybody who could tell me what's the B.B. say about
meditation? And I don't talk about thinking or the prayer of
St. Francis which, incidentally is not really from St. Francis.
At the beginning of this marvelous fellowship: have our founders
known anything about meditation? Not prayer or thinking but real
meditation. I asked this question many many times, here in Montreal
and all around Canada and nobody could answer with real conviction
What's up? Not the "think think think" stuff but real, profound
deepful meditation? I will really appreciate your help.
And excuse my written English, sorry - in advance thank you for your
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
A NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR
People sometimes tend to forget, and start assuming that there has only been
early AA author.
There were four great AA authors from the early AA period: Bill W., Richmond
Walker, Ralph Pfau (Father John Doe), and Ed Webster.
ENTERING THE DIVINE SILENCE
Richmond Walker, a New Englander who got sober in Boston in 1942 (see
http://hindsfoot.org/RWchrn.html ), later moved to Daytona Beach, Florida,
wrote some meditations for himself on little cards which he carried around
this pocket. The Florida AA people persuaded him to publish these in 1948 in
little black book, called "Twenty Four Hours a Day." It was
sponsored by the
Daytona Beach AA group, printed at the county courthouse, and distributed
Rich's basement. Its use quickly spread over the U.S. and Canada, and there
were periods when there were more AA members who owned a copy of this book
owned a copy of the Big Book. Rich is still the second most published AA
(only Bill W. has beat him in total sales).
The eleventh step says "Sought through prayer and meditation [a] to
conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for [b]
of His will for us and [c] the power to carry that out.
The majority of early AA members during the 1950's and 60's found that
little book told them exactly how to do all three of those things.
The fine print section at the bottom of each page is based on one of the old
Oxford Group books, "God Calling by Two Listeners," which is still
most popular book sold at Christian book stores. As we all know, AA
spirituality was based heavily on Oxford Group spirituality.
Rich refers to the kind of meditation that you are talking about as
into the Divine Silence." In addition to the influence of the Oxford
seems to have been influenced by Hindu meditational techniques, perhaps as