From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/26/2006 12:18:00 AM
I recently heard that there was a PBS television show called History
Detectives airing a show about a letter from Bill Wilson to a Herbert
Wallace of Maryland thanking him for his staunch support of AA. It was
written in 1942 and is on Alcoholic Foundation letterhead. I haven't
seen the show but they are repeated now and again.
Anyone have any information on Mr Wallace?
++++Message 3602. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: The Rewards and Ann Croft
> alcoholic daily; that is, you have to meet with them
> times in 90 days, and we're gonna check to make sure
> you do. Miss a meeting and you have no bed. You're
> on the streets. So instead of taking the drunks
> in 3 or 4 hours the way we always did it, or a
> of days at the most, we're now into this 90-in-90
> I said: So the Cleveland Salvation Army introduced
> thing we hear so often today -- ˜Go to 90 meetings
> 90 days?
> They said, Exactly. And the early Cleveland AA's,
> desperate to get beds they thought they had to have,
> compromised their approach to working the steps
> quickly. But to their great credit, the Cleveland
> keep meticulous records with Clarence's insistence)
> and their stats revealed that no one gained any
> long-term sobriety using that plan. So Cleveland
> separated itself from the Salvation Army with a
> valuable lesson: stick to the methods proven
> successful -- alkies taking alkies through the steps
> and doing it pronto. After Cleveland got back to
> doing that instead of the 90-in-90-Salvation-Army
> the AA's got a 93% success rate over the next
++++Message 3604. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: Inacuracies in the Lois
From: email@example.com> . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/18/2006 11:43:00 PM
I now find a need to withdraw my statment on inaccuracies. Sammy M . IS the
neice of Jimmy B. and not the sister of Fitz M. The confusion came about due
the photo that I have of the gravesites and the fact that I was standing
the grave of Fitz's sister during the graveyard talk part of the
++++Message 3605. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: In what order did earliest AA
ask people to read the Big Book?
From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/24/2006 10:39:00 PM
In what order did earliest AA ask people to read the Big Book?
My suspicion and best educated guess (and I can't prove it one way or
another) would be that earliest AA likely asked people to read the Big
Book the same way most people read most other books - start with the
first written page and proceed to the last written page. But it is not
beyond AA members, especially contemporary AA members, to take
something as simple as that and add a host of esoteric and endearing
Snyder. It was a warm and genuine expression of history.
Glenn Chesnut, the lead speaker, was very explicit in his topic of writing
AA history. He and I had exchanged some "shaggy dog" stories over
several years and the chance to meet him in person (as well as the others)
personally fulfilling experience since we both shared a friendship with
There was also a good panel presentation given mainly by "Shaky
from the Philadelphia area and a fellow named "BJ' concerning Fitz Mayo
Burwell who were responsible for getting AA going in eastern PA and MD.
Bill Lash taped all of the conference except for a sharing from an
Chet H., who didn't want to be taped.
Good lunch provided and enough coffee and donuts for an army!
Personally, I was almost overwhelmed with the entire event and it's hard to
The text of Glenn C.'s talk is posted at http://hindsfoot.org/penntalk.html
"Writing Local A.A. History: Stories as the Vessels of Wisdom and Grace
For recordings of the speakers and panels contact Bill Lash:
"Bill Lash" firstname.lastname@example.org
(barefootbill at optonline.net)
Hey Mr. Glenn! It was great to finally meet you and that PA Conference was
cool. Yes, please refer anyone interested in getting the recordings of that
weekend to my email address. There were 5 CDs for the set and they cost
$4 for shipping.
I no longer have cassettes because no one buys them anymore. Thanks, take it
easy and God bless.
Disk 1: Intro. by Jared L. and "Doing the Steps with Clarence S."
by Mitchell K.
Disk 2: "Writing AA History" by Glenn C.
Disk 3: "Proposed AA History 1955 to 2000" panel discussion and
Writing AA History" panel discussion.
Disk 4: Panel on "Fitz M. and Jimmy B."
Disk 5: Panel on "The Founders in Eastern Pennsylvania"
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++++Message 3610. . . . . . . . . . . . The Traditions
I was recently asked about the text of tradition two in the 12x12.
Specifically I was asked if I knew who it was Bill was referring to
when he wrote: "Almost timidly, one of my friends began to speak."
137 Also they were curious as to why Bill mentions this story about
being offered a position at Townes Hospital in the text of tradition 2
instead of either tradition 6 (Never endorse, finance, or lend the A.A.
name to any related facility or outside enterprise etc.) or tradition 8
(Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional etc.)
unless it's to emphasize the point of a "Loving God as he may express
himself through our group conscience" being the guiding forcxe of A.A.
Can any of you learned folks answer these two questions?
Service is Love
++++Message 3611. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: Inacuracies in the Lois
From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/26/2006 9:13:00 PM
The niece's name is Sally M not Sammy M.
A lot of AA's rumors get started due to inaccurate
posting of AA's history or by inaccurate sharing at
an AA meeting .People take it as being gospel and
repeat misinformation. That is how these rumors get
started. Any information I post can be documented and
"I think I remembers" should not be considered fact
until they can be substantiated.
Shakey Mike G.
Director Archives Committee
South Eastern Penna Intergroup Assn.
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++++Message 3612. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: The Rewards and Ann Croft