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less

than a year, she wrote a short piece for the first issue of this magazine,

in June 1944 (she was then known as Felicia G.). Over the years, she wrote a

number of articles for the Grapevine and worked for a time, without pay,

reading and editing manuscripts. During the 1970s, she was active on the

Grapevine's Editorial Advisory Board.


Felicia has written both novels and nonfiction. She published several novels

while she was still drinking, as recounted in the Big Book. She said,

"Of

course I used to write when I was drunk--my writing was quite a mess. Since



getting sober, I've written some things I'm not ashamed of." How did

she


write her Big Book story? "I was down in Florida, and it just came

out--I


didn't correct at all; it just poured out of me."
"My life," Felicia said, "is so much better in sobriety. The

main thing is

that I believe in God and I can appeal to him and I can get results."

She


added, "If I hadn't stopped drinking, I'd be dead: if you had buried me

with


an acorn in my mouth, I'd have raised an oak tree by now."
One of the benefits of Felicia's sobriety is that she and her family were

able to make amends. "The thing that I'm very happy about is that I was

able

to make friends with my mother before her death. We forgave each other. My



daughter and I didn't get along for quite a while but now we're really good

friends--and I get on with my four grandchildren. I've gone out to Wyoming

to see them, and they've been back East. And this is all because of my being

sober. I can look back six generations in my family and see only fighting

and hatred, and now it's stopped. I go back and pray for my fighting

antecedents! I think that's why I was put here--to put an end to the whole

business of discord in my family, to break the cycle."
Are there any regrets? "I didn't marry the right man. I wasn't able to

live


a happy life in that way. I hope that in the next world, I can do it."
The process of change hasn't stopped simply because Felicia has been sober

so long. She tries to go to a meeting a week, and she stopped smoking

"fairly recently." She still battles what she called in the Big

Book "my


mortal enemy--the inner me." She said, "I've always had trouble

with my


temper and with speaking out. I remember Bill had a room in the old Hell's

Kitchen clubhouse on Forty-Fifth Street, and one day over there I lost my

temper and I went for this woman--actually went for her. She started crying

and Bill just comforted her and said nothing to me. I was very ashamed. Oh!

I still remember it. I need the 'soft word that turneth away wrath.' I'm

still working on that. I'm trying to learn to be tolerant and understanding

of those who differ with me."
As we were preparing to leave, Felicia told us, "I don't know what more

I

can say. I can only tell you the difference between then and now: I have a



belief in God. My life is happy."
FELICIA M.
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++++Message 3512. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Book Story Author Interview

(2 of 4)


From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2006 12:49:00 PM
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To Bill Lash et al:

I appreciate your sending us this interview with Felicia. I had

interviewed her in 1980 in the same little home described here and also had

correspondence with her. She was, indeeed, one of the key persons who

helped get the Grapevine off to a good start. Her first husband had been a

very prominent columnist and her mother had been a well-known and very

controversial owner of newspapers, although I don't think there was much of

the fortune left by the time I interviewed Felicia. My impression was that

she just had enough income to get by but was grateful for her cozy little

home and what she had found in AA. Despite frequent bouts with depression,

she was a good AA and represented the fellowship well.

Mel Barger

~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesst ~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesstoledo.com

----- Original Message -----

From: "Bill Lash"

To:

Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:55 AM

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Big Book Story Author Interview (2 of 4)


> Interview With the Author of "Stars Don't Fall"

> Second in a series of articles on authors of Big Book stories

> AA Grapevine, August 1995

>

> Felicia M. is eighty-nine years old and has been sober for over



fifty-one

> years; she joined the Fellowship in the fall of 1943, when it was only

> eight

> years old. Her story, "Stars Don't Fall," is in the Third



Edition of the

> Big


> Book.

>

> On a clear cold afternoon last January, the managing editor of the



> Grapevine

> and an editorial assistant drove up to the small town in Connecticut

where

> Felicia M. lives. We found her modest house on a quiet back lane.



Several

> big evergreens were in the front yard; in the backyard, a bird feeder

hung

> from a bare tree. Inside, her house was cozy. A whole row of cookbooks



> filled a shelf over the kitchen door. The walls were hung with

> pictures--western scenes with men and women on horseback, a painting by

a

> grandson, a large oil by a well-known abstract painter of the nineteen



> fifties, and some watercolors by Felicia herself, who began painting

> during


> one period when she couldn't write (Felicia is a professional writer).

The


> three of us sat in Felicia's small book-lined living room, where the

> winter


> light filtered through the draperies, and Felicia served us coffee and

> cookies as we talked about AA and her recovery from alcoholism.

>

> In her Big Book story, Felicia tells about the turbulent times of her



> drinking: from her chauffeured "self-guided" tour of Europe's

wine


> countries

> to being the down-and-out habitué of a Greenwich Village bar,

where the

> other customers took to moving their stools to avoid her. Drinking

wasn't

> a


> pleasant experience for her; it was, she wrote, like getting a

"tap on the

> head with a small mallet." Felicia told us, "I had low

self-esteem and

> behaved accordingly--and so of course I got into trouble all the

time."


> Her

> analyst was one of the earliest members of the psychiatric profession

to

> learn about Alcoholics Anonymous; Felicia explained, "Bill had



addressed a

> bunch of shrinks, you see, and my analyst heard him. She said to me,

> 'You've

> been coming here either drunk or hungover for a year. And I think these

> people have something.'" The psychiatrist gave Felicia the Big

Book to


> read

> and sent her to meet a man named "Mr. W."

>

> Bill W. suggested that Felicia meet Marty M., the first woman to



get--and

> stay--sober in AA. Marty became Felicia's sponsor: "She was my

sponsor

> until


> the day she died. I still miss her very much." When Felicia was

sober less

> than a year, she wrote a short piece for the first issue of this

magazine,

> in June 1944 (she was then known as Felicia G.). Over the years, she

wrote


> a

> number of articles for the Grapevine and worked for a time, without

pay,

> reading and editing manuscripts. During the 1970s, she was active on



the

> Grapevine's Editorial Advisory Board.

>

> Felicia has written both novels and nonfiction. She published several



> novels

> while she was still drinking, as recounted in the Big Book. She said,

"Of

> course I used to write when I was drunk--my writing was quite a mess.



> Since

> getting sober, I've written some things I'm not ashamed of." How

did she

> write her Big Book story? "I was down in Florida, and it just came



out--I

> didn't correct at all; it just poured out of me."

>

> "My life," Felicia said, "is so much better in sobriety.



The main thing is

> that I believe in God and I can appeal to him and I can get

results." She

> added, "If I hadn't stopped drinking, I'd be dead: if you had

buried me

> with


> an acorn in my mouth, I'd have raised an oak tree by now."

>

> One of the benefits of Felicia's sobriety is that she and her family



were

> able to make amends. "The thing that I'm very happy about is that

I was

> able


> to make friends with my mother before her death. We forgave each other.

My

> daughter and I didn't get along for quite a while but now we're really



> good

> friends--and I get on with my four grandchildren. I've gone out to

Wyoming

> to see them, and they've been back East. And this is all because of my



> being

> sober. I can look back six generations in my family and see only

fighting

> and hatred, and now it's stopped. I go back and pray for my fighting

> antecedents! I think that's why I was put here--to put an end to the

whole


> business of discord in my family, to break the cycle."

>

> Are there any regrets? "I didn't marry the right man. I wasn't



able to

> live


> a happy life in that way. I hope that in the next world, I can do

it."


>

> The process of change hasn't stopped simply because Felicia has been

sober

> so long. She tries to go to a meeting a week, and she stopped smoking



> "fairly recently." She still battles what she called in the

Big Book "my

> mortal enemy--the inner me." She said, "I've always had

trouble with my

> temper and with speaking out. I remember Bill had a room in the old

Hell's


> Kitchen clubhouse on Forty-Fifth Street, and one day over there I lost

my

> temper and I went for this woman--actually went for her. She started



> crying

> and Bill just comforted her and said nothing to me. I was very ashamed.

> Oh!

> I still remember it. I need the 'soft word that turneth away wrath.'



I'm

> still working on that. I'm trying to learn to be tolerant and

> understanding

> of those who differ with me."

>

> As we were preparing to leave, Felicia told us, "I don't know what



more I

> can say. I can only tell you the difference between then and now: I

have a

> belief in God. My life is happy."



>

> FELICIA M.

>

>

>



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>



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>

> Yahoo! Groups Links



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++++Message 3513. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Big Book Story Author Interview

(2 of 4)


From: Sally Brown . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/25/2006 7:18:00 PM
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A Weird Story of Research About Felicia

__________________________________


Many thanks to Bill Lash for sharing the interview of Felicia. I wish

AAHistoryLovers had existed when Dave and I were researching and writing

Marty Mann's biography! We never came across this interview. And if we'd

even known Bill Lash's name, you can bet we'd have interviewed him.


In fact, we had a lot of trouble locating information about Felicia. People

kept telling us we should try to interview her, but no one could give us an

address or even approximate location. We did find out that Felicia was

related to the McCormick publishing family of Chicago. So, in 1998, fairly

early in our national research, we were browsing through the McCormick Room

of Chicago's main library, and I came across a book with a family tree

pictured. To our great disappointment, Felicia was designated as having died

some years previously. "Well, that's that," we thought.


Later on, a biography of Cissy Patterson, Felicia's mother and also the

famous publisher of the Washington Times, made us realize that Felicia's own

daughter, Ellen, might have some stories about HER mother. But again, we had

no idea where Ellen lived. However, Ellen had married into a Washington, DC

legal family named Arnold.
I vaguely recalled from a couple of years' living in Washington in the 1970s

that a legal firm with the name "Arnold" in it was often in the

Washington

Post. "Maybe," I thought, "it's the same Arnold." On a

whim, I called

Washington Information, and asked, rather diffidently, if there was such a

legal firm. To my surprise, the answer was immediately "Yes, and here's

the


number." Guess Washington Information gets more than one request for

that


number!
When I rang the offices, I was promptly connected to a lovely, very

accommodating and knowledgeable woman who knew all the partners. She didn't

have Ellen's address in California, but she had the names and addresses of

Ellen's three sons, Felicia's grandsons, in Wyoming. I randomly picked one,

Joe Arnold, in Laramie, hoping he could lead me to his mother.
Joe picked up the phone. I explained I was looking for his mother, Ellen,

for some stories about Felicia - and how sorry I was that Felicia had died.

Joe asked, "Would you like to speak with her?" I nearly passed

out! Felicia

hadn't died at all. She was residing in Laramie in a gracious retirement

home with assisted living. Her grandsons, who adored her, had moved her

there the previous year because she had become too frail to live on her own

in the CT home Bill Lash described. That book in the McCormick Room was all

wet! It was an important early lesson to us to check and double-check all

our facts.


For the rest of the story, see our web site below. We are forever grateful

to Joe Arnold and his wife's wonderful hospitality on my whirlwind trip to

Laramie. Through him, we did indeed connect by phone with Ellen, but she had

no information about Felicia beyond what we already knew.


Shalom - Sally
Rev Sally Brown coauthor: A Biography of

Mrs. Marty Mann

Board Certified Clinical Chaplain The First Lady of Alcoholics

Anonymous

United Church of Christ
www.sallyanddavidbrown.com

1470 Sand Hill Road, 309

Palo Alto, CA 94304

Phone/Fax: 650 325 5258

Email: rev.sally@att.net
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++++Message 3514. . . . . . . . . . . . The first one hundred

From: anders bystrom . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 8:24:00 AM


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Hiya group!
Ive been searching an answer to my question in this gruop’s archives,

but


havent had any luck, so here goes...
does anyone know where i can find the names of the first one hundred. Or if

not - maybe how many of them were men and how many women?


mucho love from Sweden!

Anders
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++++Message 3515. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The first one hundred

From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 10:14:00 AM


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There are lots of lists out there regarding the

so-called "first one-hundred" in AA. Many of these

lists are lacking in accuracy, many leave out obvious

names and some leave out certain segments of either

NYC or the Akron/Cleveland area.
There is no definitive first 100 list. Many long term

members I've spoken with have told me that when Bill

decided to make that magical number up, he not only

included the spouses who also attended (at least in

the Akron/Cleveland area) but he also embellished the

truth by making it a nice round number. I guess it

wouldn't sound quite impressive if Bill wrote 63

members and some of their spouses. (note: the 63

number was an arbitrary one and in no way should be

taken as an actual count of members)


Shakey Mike from Philly showed me a list of the

"first" 200 something members and there were many

glaring omissions from that list. I've seen other

lists, Richard K. and others. None can be accurate.


--- anders bystrom wrote:
> Hiya group!

>

> Ive been searching an answer to my question in



> this gruop’s archives, but havent had any luck, so

> here goes...

>

> does anyone know where i can find the names of the



> first one hundred. Or if not - maybe how many of

> them were men and how many women?

>

> mucho love from Sweden!



> Anders

>

>



>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been



> removed]

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++++Message 3516. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The first one hundred

From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 10:02:00 AM


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The list of 200 I gave to Mitchell K. was given to me by Harry the Wino,(dos

11/59) my sponsor. It is labeled the 1st 200 AA's. It only includes Bill W

from NY and several others from the mid west. the rest are all from Ohio.

So,


it may be a list of the 1st 200 who were from the Akron, Cleveland and

Columbus meetings. Fitz , Hank, Chrys, Bert T and Jimmy are not listed.

Jimmy Burwell mentions that when the "first 100" was written by

Bill that"

there were 100 men and women coming and going, mainly going." Maybe

Jimmy's


history of AA is a better representation of How it Was, than was previously

thought. Just because its listed in AA Conference approved literature

doesn't

make it necessarily so. As people get older their recollections of what and



when get distorted and, as we all know, Bill W took poetic license to make a

point.


Yours in Service

Shakey Mike G.


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++++Message 3517. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The first one hundred

From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 2:13:00 PM


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Hi Anders,

I do know that the names of the authors of the Big Book's first edition

are bouncing around somewhere, and I'm sure somebody will send them. Of

course there are not 100, although it's believed that at least this number

could be called sober by the time the Book was published in April 1939.

There was only one woman and she did not stay sober, although her story was

pretty good and served its purpose.

My wife and I are going to Kolding, Denmark, this week, where I'll be

doing some AA sessions this Saturday, July 1st, at the request of Bent C.

Do the Swedes ever visit the Danes? Please send me your Snail Mail address

and I'll send you that Big Book list if I can find it.

All the best,

Mel
~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesst ~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesstoledo.com

----- Original Message -----

From: "anders bystrom"

To:

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:24 AM

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The first one hundred


Hiya group!
Ive been searching an answer to my question in this gruop’s archives,

but


havent had any luck, so here goes...
does anyone know where i can find the names of the first one hundred. Or

if not - maybe how many of them were men and how many women?


mucho love from Sweden!

Anders
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Yahoo! Groups Links
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++++Message 3518. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The first one hundred

From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 2:24:00 PM


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Hi Folks,

Mitch is right; there are no definitive lists of the first 100. But I do

think it's safe to say that there might have been at least 100 by the time

the Big Book came off the press.

I went to my first AA meeting in California in early October, 1948,

although I didn't start establishing continuous sobiety for another year and

a half. The third member I met was a man named Eddie McCann who had moved

out there from Akron. He had nine years by then. I was thrilled to find

his name in that list of 200 which is floating around, though I don't have a

copy. It listed him as living in a hotel in Akron. He was a very good AA

in Ventura, Calif., and I've often wondered what happened to him.

Mel Barger


~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesst ~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesstoledo.com

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mitchell K."

To:

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 10:14 AM

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] The first one hundred


> There are lots of lists out there regarding the

> so-called "first one-hundred" in AA. Many of these

> lists are lacking in accuracy, many leave out obvious

> names and some leave out certain segments of either

> NYC or the Akron/Cleveland area.

>

> There is no definitive first 100 list. Many long term



> members I've spoken with have told me that when Bill

> decided to make that magical number up, he not only

> included the spouses who also attended (at least in

> the Akron/Cleveland area) but he also embellished the

> truth by making it a nice round number. I guess it

> wouldn't sound quite impressive if Bill wrote 63

> members and some of their spouses. (note: the 63

> number was an arbitrary one and in no way should be

> taken as an actual count of members)

>

> Shakey Mike from Philly showed me a list of the



> "first" 200 something members and there were many

> glaring omissions from that list. I've seen other

> lists, Richard K. and others. None can be accurate.

>

>



>

> --- anders bystrom wrote:

>

>> Hiya group!



>>

>> Ive been searching an answer to my question in

>> this gruop’s archives, but havent had any luck, so

>> here goes...

>>

>> does anyone know where i can find the names of the



>> first one hundred. Or if not - maybe how many of

>> them were men and how many women?

>>

>> mucho love from Sweden!



>> Anders

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>>



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>> removed]

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++++Message 3519. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The first one hundred

From: Kimball . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/26/2006 7:00:00 PM


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Jim Burwell had indicated in "THE VICIOUS CYCLE" that the AA

literature

committee had

a sum population of 60 at the time of the writing of the Big Book. That

seems

like


a likely number. If Bill said 100 and Jim said 60, then that leaves 40

non-authors

in surrounding areas (Youngstown, Detroit, Buffalo, New Jersey, etc.)
pg 228
Around this time our big A.A. book was being written, and it all became much

simpler;


we had a definite formula that some sixty of us agreed was the middle course

for


all

alcoholics who wanted sobriety, and that formula has not been changed one

iota

down


through the years.
I would be interested in the list of authors.
----- Original Message -----

From: Mel Barger

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 12:13 PM

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] The first one hundred
Hi Anders,

I do know that the names of the authors of the Big Book's first edition

are bouncing around somewhere, and I'm sure somebody will send them. Of

course there are not 100, although it's believed that at least this number

could be called sober by the time the Book was published in April 1939.

There was only one woman and she did not stay sober, although her story was

pretty good and served its purpose.

My wife and I are going to Kolding, Denmark, this week, where I'll be

doing some AA sessions this Saturday, July 1st, at the request of Bent C.

Do the Swedes ever visit the Danes? Please send me your Snail Mail address

and I'll send you that Big Book list if I can find it.

All the best,

Mel
~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesst ~~~~~~~~ Mel Barger melb@accesstoledo.com

----- Original Message -----

From: "anders bystrom"

To:

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:24 AM

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The first one hundred


Hiya group!
Ive been searching an answer to my question in this gruop’s archives,

but


havent had any luck, so here goes...
does anyone know where i can find the names of the first one hundred. Or

if not - maybe how many of them were men and how many women?


mucho love from Sweden!

Anders
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++++Message 3520. . . . . . . . . . . . Ebby, Court and Judge Graves

From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/27/2006 4:39:00 PM


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I have a question, largely based upon reading Ebby: The Man Who

Sponsored Bill W. by Mel B. The book indicates that Ebby appeared

before Cebra's father, Judge Graves, and was told that he "was due

back in Bennington for trial Monday morning" (p. 57). Was Judge

Graves the same judge on Monday who "gave Ebby a lecture" and then

released him to Rowland? I've searched through previous posts and

haven't found an answer to this question.
Chris

Raleigh, NC


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++++Message 3521. . . . . . . . . . . . Does anyone have information on a mr

coxe-


From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/28/2006 6:59:00 PM
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Looking for information on a Mr. Coxe (in AA before 9/1940)his sponsor is

referred to as only D.

Is this possibly Capt Coxe

1938, April Capt. Coxe NY Unknown ... is a listing in AA chronology

The Name is found in a big red.

yours in service

Shakey Mike G
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++++Message 3522. . . . . . . . . . . . The Forgotten Steps

From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/1/2006 9:04:00 AM


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Which are The Forgotten Steps? I am told they are six and seven, but a

search on the Grapevine's digital archives turns up an article from the

June 1952 issue and it's on Steps Eight and Nine.
I have seen reference to a pamphlet apparently out of print with that title

and I understand it was on Steps Eight and Nine?


Any help out there?
Tommy H
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++++Message 3523. . . . . . . . . . . . Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

From: sobermuse123@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/1/2006 10:41:00 AM


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My Saturday Morning Meeting is an As Bill Sees It Group, and today, we read

p. 118. The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication

entitled "AA Today". Since I assume that ABSI uses information

directly from

the writing of Bill W. or from Conference published sources, I am wondering

what sort of book or periodical "AA Today" is. I've not heard of

it, and I am

reasonably familiar with most AA literature...


Anyone out there with information on this???
Many thanks,
Jeanne M.

dos 1-23-81

Concord, NH
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++++Message 3524. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

From: Jim B . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:14:00 AM


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Jeanne wrote

. The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication

entitled "AA Today".
My copy is a 4th printing published in 1979. I don't know how many other

printing there were after 1979.

Jim
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++++Message 3525. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

From: John Wikelius . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:10:00 AM


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AA Today is a Grapevine book published in 1960 which contains many articles.

It was presented at the 2nd International Convention in Long Beach,

California.
With an email I will send you a copy of the book cover.
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++++Message 3526. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

From: Jim B . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:11:00 AM


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Jeanne wrote

The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication

entitled "AA Today".
Published in 1960, AA Today is a soft covered 111 page collection of

articles to celebrate 25 years of AA.

Jim
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++++Message 3527. . . . . . . . . . . . As Bill Sees It: AA Today

From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 4:24:00 PM


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AA Today was a special publication of the AA Grapevine commemorating

the 25th Anniversary of Alcoholics Anonymous which first went on sale

at the 1960 International Convention at Long Beach. My copy is the

sixth printing from 1988. The booklet is 111 pp., 8 1/2 x 11, and

contains, besides pieces by Bill and other members (only Bill's have a

byline), remarks by Dr. Ruth Fox, Dr. Karl Menninger, E. M. Jellinek,

Dr. Adele Streeseman, Dr. William Bauer, Father Ed Dowling, Reinhold

Niebuhr, Harry Emerson Fosdick, Rev. Kenneth Naylor, Aldous Huxley,

Warden Clinton Duffy, several public figures including Sen. Margaret

Chase Smith, and Ivan Underwood. None of the pieces is very long, as

might be expected from the fact that there are 43 contributions plus

pages printing the 12 Steps and the 12 Traditions, all in 111 pages. --

Jared Lobdell
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++++Message 3528. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:10:00 AM


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AA TODAY IS "A SPECIAL GRAPEVINE PUBLICATION" IT COMMEMORATES THE

25 TH


ANNIVERSARY OF AA. IT WAS 1ST AVAILABLE IN 1960 IN LONG BEACH , CALIF.

ADVANCE


ORDERS SOLD OUT AND A 2ND PRINTING WAS ORDERED. IT SOLD OUT IN 1964.IT WAS

THEN


UNAVAILABLE.THE 1979 GENERAL SERVICE CONFERENCE APPROAVED A REPRINT PROJECT.

NOTHING IN IT HAS CHANGED AND IT REFLECTS AA AS IT WAS IN 1990.

YOURS IN SERVICE,

SHAKEY MIKE GWIRTZ


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++++Message 3529. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The Forgotten Steps

From: Bruce A. Johanson . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 4:43:00 PM


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From Father Pfau (sp?) or Father John Does' Golden Books Steps six and

seven: The forgotten steps.


Bruce Johanson
"The truth never harmed anyone - but it frequently hurts when it

conflicts

with our old ideas. The truth will set you free - right after it makes you

madder than hell."


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From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hickcox

Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 8:05 AM

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The Forgotten Steps
Which are The Forgotten Steps? I am told they are six and seven, but a

search on the Grapevine's digital archives turns up an article from the

June 1952 issue and it's on Steps Eight and Nine.
I have seen reference to a pamphlet apparently out of print with that title

and I understand it was on Steps Eight and Nine?


Any help out there?
Tommy H
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++++Message 3530. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 10:39:00 AM


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AA Today was a special publication by The Grapevine,

Inc. celebrating AA's 25th Anniversary. There were

both a hard cover and soft bound edition. The original

was published in 1960 and was available at the

International in Long Beach, California. Copies are

available for sale sometimes on eBay and from rare

book dealers.
> My Saturday Morning Meeting is an As Bill Sees It

> Group, and today, we read

> p. 118. The second paragraph on that page is

> attributed to a publication

> entitled "AA Today". Since I assume that ABSI uses

> information directly from

> the writing of Bill W. or from Conference published

> sources, I am wondering

> what sort of book or periodical "AA Today" is.

> I've not heard of it, and I am

> reasonably familiar with most AA literature...

>

> Anyone out there with information on this???



>

> Many thanks,

>

> Jeanne M.



> dos 1-23-81

> Concord, NH

>

>

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> removed]

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++++Message 3531. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

From: Maria Hoffman . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/2/2006 11:48:00 AM


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In answer to Jeannes' question of AA Today,

Strangely enough I had exactly the same question, until I looked on my own

library shelves!!

In 1960 the AA Grapevine published AA today - A special publication by the

AA

Grapevine committee commemorating th e 25th Anniversary of Alcoholics



Anonymous.

It is a wonderful collection of many delightful articles and pictures, by

Bill

W. and many of our Non Alcoholic friends.



It is an 81/2 x 11 Aqua cloth covered hard back .
Maria Hoffman - District 1 - Archives committ3eeSouth Florida
----- Original Message -----

From: sobermuse123@aol.com

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:41 PM

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"
My Saturday Morning Meeting is an As Bill Sees It Group, and today, we read

p. 118. The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication

entitled "AA Today". Since I assume that ABSI uses information

directly from

the writing of Bill W. or from Conference published sources, I am wondering

what sort of book or periodical "AA Today" is. I've not heard of

it, and I

am

reasonably familiar with most AA literature...


Anyone out there with information on this???
Many thanks,
Jeanne M.

dos 1-23-81

Concord, NH
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++++Message 3532. . . . . . . . . . . . 30 Day Readings?

From: Rick Clowater . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2006 1:55:00 PM


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Have certainly never heard it here in the west of Ireland but perhaps some

other


members of the group have.
Fiona
My First Post
How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR THIRTY

DAYS" come about?


Does anyone know the history of this and is it done worldwide?
Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even history of this.
Rick (Ottawa, Canada)
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++++Message 3533. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2006 3:09:00 AM


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Apropos, Aldous Huxley (contributor to "AA Today" is often quoted

as opining

that Bill W. was "the greatest social architect of (the 20th)

century". But

no-one has ever been able to tell me the original primary source of this

quotation. Can you help?

Go well,

Laurie A.


>From: Jim B

>Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

>To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

>Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:14:35 -0400

>

>Jeanne wrote



>. The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication

>entitled "AA Today".

>

>My copy is a 4th printing published in 1979. I don't know how many other



>printing there were after 1979.

>Jim


>

>

>



>

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++++Message 3534. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

From: Tom White . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2006 1:44:00 PM


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I may be repeating myself, but my conclusion, after some searching,

is that the original of that quote from Huxley appeared in Robert

Thomsen's "Bill W., the first bio of Bill. Subsequent users cite it.

Bob T. , I believe, quite consciously associated closely with Bill in

the middle and late 60s with the idea of a book in mind, and his

text gives plenty of evidence of drawing on conversations with Bill

for source. It would have helped if RT had included some notes on his

sources, but he was writing a "popular" rather than scholarly book

so

he evidently ruled that out. In the middle 60s practically the only



ones really big on AA history were Bill himself, Nell Wing, and I'd

say Lois, since I have always supposed she released the text of "My

First 40 Years" to Hazelden, perhaps out of frustration that AAWS had

not exactly rushed to press with it. Take all this lightly; just my

impressions. Tom W.
On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:09 AM, jenny andrews wrote:
> Apropos, Aldous Huxley (contributor to "AA Today" is often

quoted


> as opining

> that Bill W. was "the greatest social architect of (the 20th)

> century". But

> no-one has ever been able to tell me the original primary source of

> this

> quotation. Can you help?



> Go well,

> Laurie A.

>

>

>> From: Jim B



>> Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

>> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

>> Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees

It"


>> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:14:35 -0400

>>

>> Jeanne wrote



>> . The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a publication

>> entitled "AA Today".

>>

>> My copy is a 4th printing published in 1979. I don't know how many



>> other

>> printing there were after 1979.

>> Jim

>>

>>



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>>



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>

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links



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++++Message 3535. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: 30 Day Readings?

From: John Seibert . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/3/2006 4:33:00 PM


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I've not heard of the thirty days concept, but my sponsor told me that if I

read just two pages per day (Two sides of a single piece of paper.) I will

read the entire first 164 pages in less than 90 days or four times per year.

If you do this as I did for any period of time (14 years at this writing)

You will become quite familiar with the "Basic Text" of our

program.
Service is Love,


John S.

Nashville TN


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From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Clowater

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:56 PM

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?
Have certainly never heard it here in the west of Ireland but perhaps some

other members of the group have.


Fiona
My First Post
How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR THIRTY

DAYS" come about?


Does anyone know the history of this and is it done worldwide?
Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even history of this.
Rick (Ottawa, Canada)
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From: jenny andrews . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 6:36:00 AM


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But that's not the primary source. Thomsen wrote: "Aldous Huxley had

called


Bill the greatest social architect of the 20th century..." But when did

Huxley say or write it? Thomsen is simply quoting Huxley.

Laurie A. (Jenny is my Al-Anon wife!)
>From: Tom White

>Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

>To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

>Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:44:16 -0500

>

>I may be repeating myself, but my conclusion, after some searching,



>is that the original of that quote from Huxley appeared in Robert

>Thomsen's "Bill W., the first bio of Bill. Subsequent users cite

it.

>Bob T. , I believe, quite consciously associated closely with Bill in



>the middle and late 60s with the idea of a book in mind, and his

>text gives plenty of evidence of drawing on conversations with Bill

>for source. It would have helped if RT had included some notes on his

>sources, but he was writing a "popular" rather than scholarly

book so

>he evidently ruled that out. In the middle 60s practically the only



>ones really big on AA history were Bill himself, Nell Wing, and I'd

>say Lois, since I have always supposed she released the text of "My

>First 40 Years" to Hazelden, perhaps out of frustration that AAWS

had


>not exactly rushed to press with it. Take all this lightly; just my

>impressions. Tom W.

>

>On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:09 AM, jenny andrews wrote:



>

> > Apropos, Aldous Huxley (contributor to "AA Today" is

often quoted

> > as opining

> > that Bill W. was "the greatest social architect of (the 20th)

> > century". But

> > no-one has ever been able to tell me the original primary source

of

> > this



> > quotation. Can you help?

> > Go well,

> > Laurie A.

> >


> >

> >> From: Jim B

> >> Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

> >> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

> >> Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill Sees

It"


> >> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:14:35 -0400

> >>


> >> Jeanne wrote

> >> . The second paragraph on that page is attributed to a

publication

> >> entitled "AA Today".

> >>

> >> My copy is a 4th printing published in 1979. I don't know how



many

> >> other

> >> printing there were after 1979.

> >> Jim


> >>

> >>


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> > Yahoo! Groups Links

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++++Message 3537. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 30 Day Readings?

From: Jay Lawyer . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 9:08:00 AM


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A friend of mine from years ago told me that he had sponsees read a step out

of

the 12n12 everyday for 30 days before proceeding to the next step. He



explained

he learned this at chit chat (?) It was a rehab he went to in Pennsylvannia.

I

might be wrong about the name but that is his story where he picked it up.



Does

this sound famaliar to anyone?


Wonder where these silly ideas come from? `````scratching my head`````
Jay
----- Original Message -----

From: John Seibert

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:33 PM

Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?
I've not heard of the thirty days concept, but my sponsor told me that if I

read just two pages per day (Two sides of a single piece of paper.) I will

read the entire first 164 pages in less than 90 days or four times per year.

If you do this as I did for any period of time (14 years at this writing)

You will become quite familiar with the "Basic Text" of our

program.
Service is Love,


John S.

Nashville TN


_____
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Clowater

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:56 PM

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?
Have certainly never heard it here in the west of Ireland but perhaps some

other members of the group have.


Fiona
My First Post
How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR THIRTY

DAYS" come about?


Does anyone know the history of this and is it done worldwide?
Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even history of this.
Rick (Ottawa, Canada)

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++++Message 3539. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: 30 Day Readings?

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The only 30 day reading I ever heard or read about was what Dr. Bob would

often recommend his new guys or pigeons to read. He would have them read

William Henry Drummonds " The Greatest Thing In The World" based

on the Book

of Corinthians dealing with love every day for 30 days. It fits quite nicely

with the Absolute of Love.


Bruce Johanson
"The truth never harmed anyone - but it frequently hurts when it

conflicts

with our old ideas. The truth will set you free - right after it makes you

madder than hell."


_____
From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Lawyer

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:09 AM

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?
A friend of mine from years ago told me that he had sponsees read a step out

of the 12n12 everyday for 30 days before proceeding to the next step. He

explained he learned this at chit chat (?) It was a rehab he went to in

Pennsylvannia. I might be wrong about the name but that is his story where

he picked it up. Does this sound famaliar to anyone?
Wonder where these silly ideas come from? `````scratching my head`````
Jay
----- Original Message -----

From: John Seibert

To: AAHistoryLovers@

yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:33 PM

Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?


I've not heard of the thirty days concept, but my sponsor told me that if I

read just two pages per day (Two sides of a single piece of paper.) I will

read the entire first 164 pages in less than 90 days or four times per year.

If you do this as I did for any period of time (14 years at this writing)

You will become quite familiar with the "Basic Text" of our

program.
Service is Love,


John S.

Nashville TN


_____
From: AAHistoryLovers@

yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@

yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Clowater

Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:56 PM

To: AAHistoryLovers@

yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?


Have certainly never heard it here in the west of Ireland but perhaps some

other members of the group have.


Fiona
My First Post
How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR THIRTY

DAYS" come about?


Does anyone know the history of this and is it done worldwide?
Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even history of this.
Rick (Ottawa, Canada)

.
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This was a thread here in 2003 and 2005 and at other

times. Other than RT, I know of no one who has found a

shred of evidence where Huxley wrote or said that

remark. It has been quoted hundreds of times

attributing Huxley with no documentation other than

RT's book. It's kind of like the attribution of the

Contempt Prior To Investigation quote to Spencer.

Everyone quotes it but no one knew where it came from

originally.
> But that's not the primary source. Thomsen wrote:

> "Aldous Huxley had called

> Bill the greatest social architect of the 20th

> century..." But when did

> Huxley say or write it? Thomsen is simply quoting

> Huxley.

> Laurie A. (Jenny is my Al-Anon wife!)

>

>



> >From: Tom White

> >Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

> >To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

> >Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As Bill

> Sees It"

> >Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:44:16 -0500

> >

> >I may be repeating myself, but my conclusion, after



> some searching,

> >is that the original of that quote from Huxley

> appeared in Robert

> >Thomsen's "Bill W., the first bio of Bill.

> Subsequent users cite it.

> >Bob T. , I believe, quite consciously associated

> closely with Bill in

> >the middle and late 60s with the idea of a book in

> mind, and his

> >text gives plenty of evidence of drawing on

> conversations with Bill

> >for source. It would have helped if RT had included

> some notes on his

> >sources, but he was writing a "popular" rather than

> scholarly book so

> >he evidently ruled that out. In the middle 60s

> practically the only

> >ones really big on AA history were Bill himself,

> Nell Wing, and I'd

> >say Lois, since I have always supposed she released

> the text of "My

> >First 40 Years" to Hazelden, perhaps out of

> frustration that AAWS had

> >not exactly rushed to press with it. Take all this

> lightly; just my

> >impressions. Tom W.

> >

> >On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:09 AM, jenny andrews wrote:



> >

> > > Apropos, Aldous Huxley (contributor to "AA

> Today" is often quoted

> > > as opining

> > > that Bill W. was "the greatest social architect

> of (the 20th)

> > > century". But

> > > no-one has ever been able to tell me the

> original primary source of

> > > this

> > > quotation. Can you help?

> > > Go well,

> > > Laurie A.

> > >


> > >

> > >> From: Jim B

> > >> Reply-To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

> > >> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

> > >> Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Page 118 - " As

> Bill Sees It"

> > >> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:14:35 -0400

> > >>


> > >> Jeanne wrote

> > >> . The second paragraph on that page is

> attributed to a publication

> > >> entitled "AA Today".

> > >>

> > >> My copy is a 4th printing published in 1979. I



> don't know how many

> > >> other

> > >> printing there were after 1979.

> > >> Jim

> > >>

> > >>


> > >>

> > >>


> > >>

> > >


> > >

> > >


> > >

> > >


> > >

> > >


> > >

> > > Yahoo! Groups Links

> > >

> > >


> > >

> > >


> > >

> > >


> > >

> >


> >

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++++Message 3541. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 30 Day Readings?

From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 4:09:00 PM


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That is quite possible. Chit Chat or Caron Foundation

in Wernersville, PA still exists. Like most things now

accepted as gospel in AA never originated in AA but in

the treatment industry. The 90/90, 30 days, disease

concept..... lots of non-AA topics and practices which

are now part and parcel of AA.


> A friend of mine from years ago told me that he had

> sponsees read a step out of the 12n12 everyday for

> 30 days before proceeding to the next step. He

> explained he learned this at chit chat (?) It was a

> rehab he went to in Pennsylvannia. I might be wrong

> about the name but that is his story where he picked

> it up. Does this sound famaliar to anyone?

>

> Wonder where these silly ideas come from?



> `````scratching my head`````

>

> Jay



>

>

> ----- Original Message -----



> From: John Seibert

> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:33 PM

> Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?

>

>

>



> I've not heard of the thirty days concept, but my

> sponsor told me that if I

> read just two pages per day (Two sides of a single

> piece of paper.) I will

> read the entire first 164 pages in less than 90 days

> or four times per year.

> If you do this as I did for any period of time (14

> years at this writing)

> You will become quite familiar with the "Basic Text"

> of our program.

>

> Service is Love,



>

> John S.

> Nashville TN

>

> _____



>

> From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

> [mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

> Of Rick Clowater

> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:56 PM

> To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] 30 Day Readings?

>

> Have certainly never heard it here in the west of



> Ireland but perhaps some

> other members of the group have.

>

> Fiona


>

> My First Post

>

> How did the reading of the Big Book or 12 and 12 "FOR



> THIRTY DAYS" come about?

>

> Does anyone know the history of this and is it done



> worldwide?

>

> Appreciate anyone's thoughts, comments or even



> history of this.

>

> Rick (Ottawa, Canada)



> .

>

>



>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>



>

>
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++++Message 3542. . . . . . . . . . . . Hi all

From: newnanight1963 . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 4:47:00 PM


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Opps this may be a repeat , sorry.

I am new to this group and looking for some information.

I am looking for a book, an autobiography that my stepdad wrote

regarding his 40 years as a skid row wino.

Title: One's Too Many and a Thousand's Not Enough

Author: Frank Wallaston

Year : 1979

Publisher (this may be a vanity publisher not sure) Libra


I have managed to find this book in two libraries in Butte County

California but can;t seem to be able to find a copy I can buy. I am

newly sober (2 months) and know Franks book would add to my incentive

in my new journey.

Unfortunately Frank died(drunk and alone after 20 years sober) a

couple years ago and I lost my copy of the book years ago ,,,if anyone

can help I would be forever grateful.

Thanks


Tanya
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++++Message 3543. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: My first forty years

From: Bob Wilson . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/4/2006 5:34:00 PM


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Art, Amazon has this one -- which I was not aware of till I looked. It's

apparently by Bill.


Bill W. : My First 40 Years - An Autobiography

ISBN 1568383738


Here's another one I didn't know anything about, an "authorized

biography":


http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/amazon/books/alcohol-abuse/the-lois-wilson-sto

ry-w\
hen-love-is-not-enough-the-authori-1592853285.html [7]


Sorry if this info is way off the track.
Best,
Bob W.
----- Original Message -----

From: Art Boudreault

To: AA History Lovers

Cc: tomwhite@cableone.net

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 11:41 AM

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] My first forty years


Dear Tom,
I am interested in learning about and obtaining this book. I was unaware of

the book "My First 40 Years" by Lois. It is not mentioned in

"Lois

Remembers" or "First Steps, Al-Anon ... Thirty Five Years of



Beginnings",

both sold by Al-Anon's World Service Office. I did a search on Hazelden's

book section and on http://used.addall.com/, a used book site, for this

book. It is amazing how many titles there are with those words, but none

about Lois. Can you let me know how to find such a book?
I believe that Lois' memoirs were printed in "Lois Remembers" sold

by

Al-Anon's World Service Office. According to the person hired by Al-Anon to



ghost-write the book for Lois, she wasn't allowed to write it for Lois. AA

World Services paid for and hired the ghost writer.


Sincerely,
Art Boudreault

artb@netwiz.net


> 2b. Re: Page 118 - " As Bill Sees It"

> Posted by: "Tom White" tomwhite@cableone.net

> Date: Mon Jul 3, 2006 1:41 pm (PDT)

>

> I may be repeating myself, but my conclusion, after some searching,



> is that the original of that quote from Huxley appeared in Robert

> Thomsen's "Bill W., the first bio of Bill. Subsequent users cite

it.

> Bob T. , I believe, quite consciously associated closely with Bill in



> the middle and late 60s with the idea of a book in mind, and his

> text gives plenty of evidence of drawing on conversations with Bill

> for source. It would have helped if RT had included some notes on his

> sources, but he was writing a "popular" rather than scholarly

book so

> he evidently ruled that out. In the middle 60s practically the only



> ones really big on AA history were Bill himself, Nell Wing, and I'd

> say Lois, since I have always supposed she released the text of

"My

> First 40 Years" to Hazelden, perhaps out of frustration that AAWS



had

> not exactly rushed to press with it. Take all this lightly; just my

> impressions. Tom W.
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++++Message 3544. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: My first forty years

From: LES COLE . . . . . . . . . . . . 7/5/2006 11:57:00 AM


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Hello AA History Lover Readers.... Please note that the Bourchert book noted

below, "The Lois Wilson Story, When Love Is Not Enough" contains

several factual

errors. I know this because as a boy (1932-33) I lived in places spoken of

in

that book (e.g. Manchester, Vermont in the house owned by Lois's



father...the

Camp on Emerald Lake owned by Dr. Burnham... Burr and Burton Seminary where

my

mother was a classmate of Bill Wilson... etc. etc.) I am a native Vermonter.


I have informed the Publisher, and Stepping Stones Foundation, of these

inaccuracies and have been informed that corrections will be made in the

next

printing. If you are reading the First Printing, or the web site advertizing



the book, be aware that there are many factual errors in the First printing

and


in the advertizing.
I was very surprised to see so much poor research by an acclaimed auther

(Bourchert) who also produced the movie "My Name Is Bill W".


If anyone on this web wishes a copy of my findings, I'd be glad to share

them


with you if you send me your E-Mail address.
All my best,
Les Cole,

Colorado Springs, CO

elsietwo@msn.com
----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Wilson

Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:34 PM

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] My first forty years


Art, Amazon has this one -- which I was not aware of till I looked. It's

apparently by Bill.


Bill W. : My First 40 Years - An Autobiography

ISBN 1568383738


Here's another one I didn't know anything about, an "authorized

biography":


http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/amazon/books/alcohol-abuse/the-lois-wilson-sto

ry-w\
hen-love-is-not-enough-the-authori-1592853285.html [7]






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