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It was put together

by

the late owner of this list Nancy Olsen.


This is what it said about Dave B.:
Gratitude in Action -- Dave Bancroft

Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

(p. 193, 4th edition.)
Heading: "The Story of Dave B., one of the founders of A.A. in Canada

in

1944."


Dave's date of sobriety was April 7, 1944. He was born on June 25, 1908, in

Toronto, Canada, and spent his youth in Knowlton, Quebec. He married Dorothy

Ford on September 1, 1929. They had three children and thirteen

grandchildren.


In Montreal, just before World War II, a young physician interested in

alcoholism, Dr. Travis Dancey, had tried to get Dave to read the Big Book

while he was incarcerated in a mental institution. Dave, angry and

rebellious, literally threw the Big Book at his would-be benefactor. Dr.

Dancey was taken into the military service and when he returned in late 1944

and saw Dave, the latter was newly sober in A.A.


Dr. Dancey recalled that when he returned, Dave not only dragged him around

to A.A. meetings, "but he had the effrontery to explain the spiritual

principles of the program to me!" Dr. Dancey went on to become the

first


Class A. (nonalcoholic) trustee from Canada, serving from 1965-1974.
Dave was a tireless twelfth-stepper, who founded the first A.A. group in the

Province of Quebec. He served as a Class B (alcoholic) Trustee from 1962 to

1964.
He died on December 9, 1984.
Tommy H in Baton Rouge
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++++Message 3487. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Richard R. Peabody

From: Ron Sessions . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/13/2006 7:12:00 PM


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The Glass Crutch is an interesting novel.
It provides a great insight into Peabody's approach. Very telling is the

explanation given to William when he first starts working with Peabody.


Peabody describes the alcoholic illness like this:
"After all, alcoholism is nothing more than a disease of emotional

immaturity.

We all develop along three lines: physically, mentally and

emotionally."


Peabody stressed the idea of intellectual self and emotional self. The

alcoholics job (under Peabody's treatment plan) was to overcome the

emotional-self's' control with the intellectual self. ZOIKS!?!?!?
Quite different than the life-saving revelation given in The Big Book -

"...for we have not only been mentally and physically ill, we have been

spiritually sick. When the spiritual malady is overcome, we straighten out

mentally and physically."


Emphasis on lack of ability to overcome our own thinking/emotions and

absolute


need to have a spiritual experience.
I'll take the AA way any day (because reliance upon God works) any day.
It's an interesting read though for those who might be interested.
Ron
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++++Message 3488. . . . . . . . . . . . Long form of the Traditions and the

12 and 12

From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/13/2006 3:51:00 PM
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At 12:11 5/28/2006 , sobie396@aol.com wrote:
>Does anyone know when the long form of the Traditions

>were added to the 12 and 12, and any reason why they were

>omitted from early editions, like my June 1973 twelfth

>printing?


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I have a 15th printing and it does _NOT_ have the long form Traditions. I

was able to look at a 16th printing today and it does have the Traditions

in the long form.


The 15th printing was published in 1977 and the 16th in 1978
Tommy H in Baton Rouge
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++++Message 3489. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill Wilson Telling His Story

From: Jim B . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/13/2006 2:37:00 PM


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Paul wrote

Someone asked me if there is a DVD or VHS of Bill W telling his story out

of the BB.
AAWS lists a video in the literature catalog of Bill and Lois telling

their


stories. I believe it was produced around 1960.

Jim
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++++Message 3490. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill Wilson Telling His Story

From: Chuck Parkhurst . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/14/2006 1:59:00 AM


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Paul
At one time, World Services offered a video tape entitled

"Bill's own story." I am not sure if it is still available. I have

a

copy that has 4/98 on the label. It is 60 minutes long and is



Bill telling his own story from the grounds and in the kitchen of

Stepping Stones, side by side with Lois. It is great!!


In Service With Gratitude,
Chuck Parkhurst

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:43 PM

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Bill Wilson Telling His Story


Someone asked me if there is a DVD or VHS of Bill W telling his story

out of the BB. I don't know that's why I am asking AAHistoryLovers

for your help with this.
Thanks Paul
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++++Message 3491. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: How many whom Dr Bob sponsored

stayed sober?

From: Jim B . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/13/2006 2:40:00 PM
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Carl wrote

do you have any information on how many out of the five thousand people

whom Dr. Bob sponsored stayed sober?
My Ouija board says "3619."

Jim
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++++Message 3492. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Long form of the Traditions and

the 12 and 12

From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/13/2006 9:38:00 PM
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Hi All
I asked Amy Filiatrau, AAWS Archivist, and she replied that the long

form of the Traditions was added to the 12and12 in its 16th printing.


Cheers

Arthur
-----Original Message-----

From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hickcox

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:51 PM

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Long form of the Traditions and the 12

and 12
From Tommy H. and Jim S.


At 12:11 5/28/2006 , sobie396@aol.com wrote:
>Does anyone know when the long form of the Traditions

>were added to the 12 and 12, and any reason why they were

>omitted from early editions, like my June 1973 twelfth

>printing?

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I have a 15th printing and it does _NOT_ have the long form

Traditions.


Tommy H

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From: "Jim S."

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 8:12 am


My copy of the 12 and 12, printed in 1967, does not include the "long

form."
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++++Message 3493. . . . . . . . . . . . Moderator out of town June 17 to

July 5


From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/16/2006 10:38:00 PM
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Glenn C., the moderator of the AAHistoryLovers, will

be out of town from June 17 to July 5, 2006:


I'm going to be staying at various campgrounds where

I won't have access to the internet, so please hold off

on emailing me until I'm back in South Bend.

_________________________________________


As part of the trip, I will be speaking briefly at the

One-Day History and Archives Gathering on June 24, 2006,

in Lebanon, Pennsylvania, see Message 3351:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/3351


Barefoot Bill L. will be on one of the panels at

the conference in Lebanon, Mitchell K. will speak on

"Experiencing AA History: Doing the Steps with Clarence S.,"

and oldtimer Chet H., Hummelstown, Pennsylvania (sober

April 4, 1949) will speak and/or do a question and answer

session.


_________________________________________
Fiona D. (Ballina, County Mayo, Ireland), who has

helped moderate and take care of the AAHistoryLovers

since it was started in March 2002, and to whom we all

owe a great debt of thanks, will be watching out for

the group for the next two and half weeks.
Glenn C. (South Bend, Indiana)
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++++Message 3494. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: How many whom Dr Bob sponsored

stayed sober?

From: ny-aa@att.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/16/2006 12:42:00 AM
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The question was, "How many out of the five thousand

people whom Dr. Bob sponsored stayed sober?" Dr Bob

did not "sponsor" five thousand people. That is how

many he helped to detox. Big Book (page 171) says,


"To 1950, the year of his death, he carried the A.A.

message to more than 5,000 alcoholic men and

women, and to all these he gave his medical services

without thought of charge."


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++++Message 3495. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Richard R. Peabody

From: Jim B . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/15/2006 4:27:00 PM


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Ron wrote

It provides a great insight into Peabody's approach.


People who practiced the Peabody approach were described as "being like

industrial engineers as they carried a time sheet with the day laid out with

things to be accomplished."

Jim
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++++Message 3496. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Dave B., "Gratitude in Action"

From: dhart1@tampabay.rr.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/15/2006 4:53:00 PM


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For the story of Dave B., "Gratitude in Action,"

in Nancy Olson's Biographies of the Authors of the

Big Book Stories:
Henry,
There is a similar URL with Nancy's Big Book bios at:

http://silkworth.net/aabiography/storyauthors.html


Doug

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Original Message from:

Tom Hickcox


Henry, you wrote:
"I would be grateful if anyone can give me any information

on Dave B., the writer of 'Gratitude in Action' in the

fourth edition of the Big Book."

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Hi Henry,
There used to be a web site that had the authors

of the stories in the back of the Big Book and a

brief bio, but I tried to access it just now and get

an error message .... Its url was





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