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From: "Gerard T McMahon" skyfive@bellsouth.net

Date: Wed May 31, 2006 4:16 pm

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Principles of the Program
I was told long ago that the principles of the program were "love and


by an old timer.
Jerry McMahon in beautiful Pensacola on the Gulf


From: "Norman Gin" ncgin@swbell.net

Date: Wed May 31, 2006 5:59 pm

Subject: RE: [AAHistoryLovers] Principles of the Program
I don't have my "12 Steps and 12 Traditions" in front of me right

now, but

aren't the "Principles" set forth in its Introduction?
"AA's 12 Steps are a set of principles, spiritual in their nature,

which if

practiced as a way of life, can expel the compulsion to drink, and allow the

sufferer to life happily and usefully whole"

I'm going by memory, so forgive me if I've seriously botched it :>)
Norm G

Dallas, TX

From: "Thomas" thomas@sober.org

Date: Wed May 31, 2006 6:03 pm

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Principles of the Program
The Honesty, Hope, Faith.....set of step principles has been hanging around

for decades. Some people think it is "official", but to our

knowledge it has

never been published by AA or founders.

The Big Book Bunch did an in-depth study of principles of the steps. See


Based upon review of the Big Book, the 12and12 and prolonged discussion,


view of the principle of each step is:

1.. Surrender

2.. Hope

3.. Commitment

4.. Honesty

5.. Truth

6.. Willingness

7.. Humility

8.. Reflection

9.. Amendment

10.. Vigilance

11.. Attunement

12.. Service
Having participated in their study, I must admit that I think the BBB list

makes better sense.

However, as a gesture of true humility they suggest each individual try to

come up with their own understanding of what the principle of each step is.

This would best be done with others. It is even OK to argue (gently, of

course). Such discussion will be very helpful to understanding how the steps

We have never documented an evaluation of the principles of the principles.

It might go like 1. Unity, 2. Authority ...

Love, Thomas


From: "Danny S" danny@dannyschwarzhoff.net

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 3:04 pm

Subject: Re: Principles of the Program
Good luck in researching that out. You might find it helpful in

knowing that with few exceptions the term "Principles" in the Big


"Alcoholics Anonymous" is overwhelmingly and fully termed as

"spiritual principles".
The most obvious exception being Step Twelve which simply states

"these principles".

"Principle(s)" is mentioned a total of 29 times -- rarely without


word "spiritual" prefixed.
Hope that helps.

Danny Schwarzhoff

Happily Recovered and Googleable Alcoholic


From: "R. Peter Nixon, MBA" rpeternixon@yahoo.ca

Date: Sun Jun 4, 2006 3:28 pm

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Principles of the Program
Bill Wilson gave three talks to medical societies that are transcribed in an


pamphlet. As I recall, he stated that the principles of the program were:

1. Admission of alcoholism.

2. Self-examination.

3. Admission of wrongs and amends.

4. Conscious contact with a Higher Power.

5. Help others.
Dr. Bob put it even more succinctly:
"Trust God, clean house and help others."
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++++Message 3462. . . . . . . . . . . . Letters describing Seiberling Gate

Lodge Meeting?

From: olddand562 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2006 3:01:00 PM
Hello friends:
I had the priviledge of visiting Heirietta Seiberling's home in the

Gate Lodge at the Stan Hyet estate in Akron, where, I believe, God

Himself first delivered the elements of A/A to Bill Wilson, Dr. Bob

Smith, and Henrietta Seiberling, at their meeting together on a Mothers

Day Sunday.
Are there any letters or otherwise describing this meeting by any of the

participants (such as a letter from Bill Wilson to his wife who was in

New York at the time, etc.)?
I've tried the Akron archives, with no result, and Stepping Stones, with

no response.

Thank you for your help,
Dan Dougherty
++++Message 3463. . . . . . . . . . . . Kathleen Folkerth article on the

Gate Lodge

From: chris fuccione . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/2/2006 1:56:00 PM
Link to the Kathleen Folkerth article on the Gate Lodge where Bill W. and


Bob met for the first time, with picture of Dr. Bob and Anne Smith's grave,


and Gate Hall
By Kathleen Folkerth
WEST AKRON -- A conversation that has changed thousands of lives took

place in a tiny room of a cottage on a grand Akron estate.

It was the historic meeting of two men, Akron surgeon Dr. Bob Smith

and New York stockbroker Bill Wilson, both troubled by their

addiction to alcohol.
The meeting, which took place in the Gate Lodge at Stan Hywet Hall and

Gardens on May 12, 1935, set the stage for what would eventually be

known as Alcoholics Anonymous (AA).
That historic meeting will be marked at Stan Hywet the weekend of

June 8-11, to coincide with activities surrounding AA's annual

Founders' Day. The Akron Area Intergroup Council of AA will honor

the 71st anniversary of AA with activities June 9-11.

The Gate Lodge, which features an exhibit about "Dr. Bob" and


W.," will have extended hours throughout the weekend. In an adjacent

tent on the Stan Hywet property, several performances of a scene

from a play about the two AA founders will be performed.
The Gate Lodge opened to the public in 2004. The house was occupied

until 1999 by Irene Seiberling Harrison, who died then at the age of

108. After her passing, it was decided that the cottage would be

restored and its place in history would be noted.

During the past two Founders' Day weekends, more than 7,500 people

have walked through the doors of the modest cottage, according to

Donna Spiegler, communications manager of Stan Hywet. The Gate Lodge

is also open when the estate is open to the public and included in

the price of manor tours.
Stan Hywet volunteer Jim Urban, of West Akron, is often stationed at

the Gate Lodge to answer questions.

"AA members just want to see the place," he said. "They read


single word."
Urban said he also has served as a soundboard for some.
"Sometimes an AA member will unload on you," Urban said.


The Gate Lodge is the
building to the right of the entrance gate at Stan Hywet. It was

built as a residence for the estate's superintendent, who lived

there until his death in 1923. At that point, Fred Seiberling (the

eldest son of Stan Hywet owner F.A. Seiberling) moved into the

cottage with his wife, Henrietta, and their three children, John,

Dorothy and Mary. The couple separated in 1935, and Fred moved into

the Manor House while Henrietta and the children stayed at the Gate

It was Henrietta Seiberling who is credited with bringing together

Dr. Bob and Bill W. According to information in the Gate Lodge,

Henrietta was active in the Oxford Group, a spiritual movement

popular at the time, which stressed that "moral strength was the

foundation to social justice and personal change would bring about

social change."
Through her activities with the group, Henrietta met Dr. Bob and his

wife, Anne, and knew about the doctor's struggles with alcohol.

Meanwhile, Bill W. was in Akron working unsuccessfully on a business

deal. He had been sober for a few months, but the failure of the

deal led him to seek help on the night of May 11, 1935. He felt if

he could talk to another person struggling with alcohol addiction,

he would be able to resist the temptation to visit the bar at the

Mayflower Hotel in downtown Akron, where he was staying. From the

hotel's church directory, he randomly selected the Rev. William

Tunks, who gave Bill W. a list of 10 names of people who might know

an alcoholic who would talk with him. None of the numbers led to any

success until he dialed Henrietta Seiberling.

Henrietta called the Smiths, but Bob was sleeping off his latest

binge. Anne Smith asked if they could meet the next day, Mother's

Day. Bill W. hung on and came to the Gate Lodge that day for dinner.

Dr. Bob reluctantly arrived with Anne and their son, and after

dinner, Dr. Bob and Bill W. retired to the small library of the Gate

Lodge for what was intended to be a 15-minute conversation.

They stayed there for five hours.

Today, the library is appointed with a small table and two chairs.

Three recordings -- of Henrietta Seiberling, Dr. Bob and Bill W.


can be played that talk about the events that transpired to help set

the stage for AA, which became an international, spiritually

oriented community that helps its members stay sober and help other

alcoholics do the same.

The historic meeting has spawned books, movies and even a

play, "Bill W. and Dr. Bob." A 20-minute scene from the play will


performed June 9 at 2 p.m., 3 p.m. and 4 p.m. and June 10 at 1 p.m.,

2 p.m., 3 p.m., 4 p.m. and 5 p.m.
The play is a biographical dramatization about the meeting written

by Janet Surrey and Stephen Bergman and directed by Rick Lombardo.

It features Patrick Husted as Dr. Bob and Robert Krakovski as Bill

The New Repertory Theatre in Watertown, Mass., hosted the play in

March, where it broke box office records. According to the theater's

Web site, the production is slated to be performed off-Broadway this


Husted may be a familiar face, as he has appeared on "Law and


and "L.A. Law" as well as in many feature films.

A brief audience discussion will follow each 20-minute performance

of the scene.

Extended hours for Founders' Day at the Gate Lodge are 9 a.m. to 9

p.m. June 8 and 9, 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. June 10 and 9 a.m. to 4 p.m.

June 11. In honor of Founders' Day, there will be no admission fee

for the Gate Lodge June 8-11, although regular prices will apply to

other tours at the site.
Regular hours of the Gate Lodge are noon to 4:30 p.m. daily. For

more information, call (330) 836-5533 or go to www.stanhywet.org.

Dr. Bob's House
Another West Akron site important to AA members is Dr. Bob's house,

located at 855 Ardmore Ave. The house was turned into a museum

honoring the AA co-founder in 1985.
The corner home features much of the home's original furnishings

placed as they were when Dr. Bob and his wife opened the doors to

many seeking help. A pot of coffee is on in the kitchen, and those

who come in are invited to sit down at the table in the kitchen,

just as many visitors to the home did years ago.

According to volunteer Ray, who works at the home once a week, the

house is visited by about 6,000 people during Founders' Day weekend.

On a regular day, he said about 15 people might come through the

"We get people from all over the world," Ray said.
Ardmore Avenue runs between South Portage Path and West Exchange

Street. The home will have extended hours during Founders' Day

events but is otherwise open every day but Christmas from noon to 3

p.m. There is no admission fee, but donations are welcomed. Dr.

Bob's grave
Mount Peace Cemetery, Akron's second-oldest cemetery, is the site of

Dr. Bob's grave. The cemetery is located at 183 Aqueduct St., a few

blocks north of West Market Street.
According to Susan Blaydes, of Mount Peace, the cemetery attracts

people throughout the year who want to pay their respects to the

Akron doctor.
On June 11 at 7:30 p.m., Founders' Day activities will include a

motorcycle procession to the grave and a memorial service.

Signs from the main entrance to the cemetery direct visitors to the

grave. Many AA visitors leave their Sobriety Coins, which are given

to AA members to mark the anniversary of the day they stopped

drinking, on the gravestone in tribute to Dr. Bob.

The cemetery also features a bronze plaque with the Serenity Prayer

on it not far from the grave. Adjacent to that is a columbarium,

which holds cremains. The columbarium is dedicated to AA and Dr. Bob

and allows those wanting to have their final resting place near Dr.

Bob to have their wishes granted.
++++Message 3465. . . . . . . . . . . . 12x12 Changes (final draft)

From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2006 4:21:00 PM

This one notes the misprint in the Ninth Step and tidies up a bit


Several weeks ago I asked on-line if a list was available of changes that

have been made over the years to the 12x12. It was subsequently suggested

that it might be a good project for me.
Rather than go thru the book word by word, the first and last sentences of

each paragraph were compared. Any other differences between the original

and a current printing were noted.
A first Alcoholics Anonymous printing was compared with a 63d printing,

which I happened to have available.

The listings should in no way be considered comprehensive.
Some generalizations can be made. Throughout the book members are referred

to as an AA or AA's. The current printing refers to members as A.A. or

A.A.'s. The change was made twenty times. When referring to one of the

Twelve Steps without the number, the word step is not capitalized in the

original but is in the current. The change was made nine

times. Similarly, higher when used to modify power is not capitalized in

the original but is in the current.
The page and paragraph numbers are those in the current

printing. Paragraph 0 would be the one continuing from the previous page.

Compiled and submitted by Tommy H.
Cover: Original "How members of Alcoholics Anonymous recover and how


society functions. Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions Alcoholics

Anonymous Publishing, Inc."

Current: "A co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous tells how members


and how the society functions. Twelve Steps and Twelve

Traditions Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc."

Front inside flap of cover has price $2.75; no price is listed on current

Title Page: Original has only "Alcoholics Anonymous Publishing,

Inc." at

bottom, Current has "Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., Box


Grand Central Station, New York, NY 10163"

Table of Contents:
Step Two, line 4: higher not capitalized in original; line 8: two in

"Step Two" is not capitalized in original.

Step Three, line 4: Higher not capitalized in original;
Step Five, last word: Steps is not capitalized in original.
Step Eight, line 1: Steps is not capitalized in original
Step Nine, line 1: wherever in current; whenever in original. [Note: my

2nd and 3rd printings have whenever; my 7th wherever. What printing was

the change made in?]
Step Eleven, the step: as we understood Him not underlined in original.
Step Twelve, line 10: Steps is not capitalized in original
Tradition One, line 2: A.A.'s in current, AA's in original.
Tradition Two, line 2: Himself is not capitalized in the original.
Tradition Five, line 2: Fellowship is not capitalized in original; line

3: A.A. in current, AA in original.

Tradition Seven, line 1: Tradition is not capitalized in original; last

line: headquarters in current, Foundation in original.

Tradition Eight, line 4: A.A.'s in current, AA's in original
Tradition Nine, tradition: A.A., as such in current; A.A. as such in

original; line 2: "Conference, the board of trustees, and group"


current, "Conference, the Foundation Board, and group" in

original; balance of paragraph has 3 A.A. in current and AA in original.
Tradition Eleven, line 3: cooperate in current, co-operate in original;

last word: Fellowship not capitalized in original.

After Tradition Twelve, "The Twelve Traditions the Long Form 189"


current and not in original.

p. 15: No* or footnote in original
p. 26, para. 2 is a new para, same words
p. 34: Last three words of Step 3 underlined in new printing
p. 35, para 0: Last two words in 1st "understand Him"; last two


current "understood Him" and italicized
p. 38, para. 1; higher in last sentence not capitalized in original
p. 63, para. 1: "This is the Step that separates the men from the

boys." Original: "This is the step that separates the men from the


. . ." Step capitalized now and four periods at end of sentence rather

than one.
p. 84, para. 0: "Alcoholics Anonymous," in current; Alcoholics


italicized in original.
p. 88, para. 1: Steps capitalized in first sentence current and not in


p. 89, para. 1 and 2: A.A.'s in current, AA's in original.
p. 90, para. 1: First sentence has quotes around spot-check in original

but not in current.

p. 90, para. 4: First sentence - ditto with spot-check.
p. 92, para. 0: Next to last sentence, big shot has quotes in original,

none in current.

p. 92, para.1: current "big-shot-ism"; original


p. 94, para. 0: First sentence A.A.'s in current; AA's in original
p. 94, para. 3, line 7: current "taught a lesson,"; original

"taught" a

p. 96, words of Step 11: current has as we understood Him underlined;

original doesn't.

p. 96, para. 2, first sentence: current has A.A.'s; original has AA's.
p. 96, para. 3, first sentence: current has higher power; original has

"higher Power,".

p. 101, para. 4, line 2: flier has quotes in original, none in current.
p. 103, para. 2: Has A.A. twice where original has AA.
p. 104, para. 1, line 4: malady," in current; malady" . . . in

original. Ditto emotional pain same para.

p. 105, para. 0, line 1: A.A. vs AA.
P. 106, para. 2, line 2: Step in current; step in original; A.A. vs AA in

following sentence.

p. 107, para. 2, line 5: Higher Power in current; higher Power in original.
p. 108, para. 0, line 28: Higher Power vs higher Power; same sentence

Higher Power vs higher power

p. 111, para 1, line 4: Twelve Steps vs twelve steps
p. 112, para.3, first line: A.A.'s vs AA's
p. 114, para. 1, line 3: A.A's vs AA's.
p. 114, para. 2, line 1: A.A.'s vs AA's.
p. 116, para. 0, line 3: give-and-take basis has quotes in original.
p. 117, para. 2, line 9: A.A.'s vs AA's
p. 118, para. 0, last sentence: Twelve Steps capitalized in current; no *

or foot-note in original

p. 119, para. 2, line 2: A.A.'s vs AA's; ditto lines 8 and 14.
p. 120, para. 1, line 8: loaners has quotes in original.
p. 124, para. 1, first line: A.A.'s vs AA's.
p. 131, para. 0, last line: Society capitalized in current.
p. 132, para. 1, line 6: A.A. vs AA
p. 132, para. 3, line 1: A.A. vs AA
p. 140, para. 0, line 1: No * or footnote
p. 143, last line, last word: "Alcoholics Anonymous: in current is

Alcoholics Anonymous italicized in original.

p.. 148, para1, line 2: no * or footnote in original
p. 152, para. 0, line 3: D.T.'s in current, d.t.'s in original
p. 152, para. 2-6 are not separate paragraphs in original but extensions of

para. 1.
p. 153, para. 2-3 incorporated in para. 1

p. 168, para. 1, line 2: no * or foot note in original
p. 169, para. 1, line 10: no * or foot note in original
p. 173, para. 1, line 3: no 8 or foot note in original
p. 182, para. 3, line 1: no * or foot note in original
p. 184, para. 3, line 2: "Alcoholics Anonymous." in current is


Anonymous, italicized in original
p. 189-1192: The long forms of the Traditions are not in the original.
Back cover of current has ISBN 0-916856-01-1. There were no ISBN numbers

in the '50s.

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++++Message 3466. . . . . . . . . . . . Significant June Dates in A.A.


From: chesbayman56 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/4/2006 2:48:00 AM
June 1:

1949 - Anne Smith, Dr. Bob's wife, died.

June 4:

2002- Caroline Knapp, author of "Drinking: A Love Story" died


of lung cancer.

June 5:

1940 - Ebby Thatcher took a job at the NY Worlds Fair.

June 6:

1940 - The first AA Group in Richmond, VA, was formed.

1979 - AA gave the two-millionth copy of the Big Book to Joseph

Califano, then Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare. It was

presented by Lois Wilson, Bill's wife, in New York.

June 7:

1939 - Bill and Lois Wilson had an argument, the first of two times

Bill almost slipped.

1941 - The first AA Group in St. Paul, Minnesota, was formed.

June 8:

1941 - Three AA's started a group in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

June 10:

1935 - The date that is celebrated as Dr. Bob's last drink and the

official founding date of AA. There is some evidence that the

founders, in trying to reconstruct the history, got the date wrong

and it was actually June 17.

June 11:

1945 - Twenty-five hundred attend AA's 10th Anniversary in

Cleveland, Ohio.

1969 - Dr. Bob's granddaughter, Bonna, daughter of Sue Smith and

Ernie Galbraith (The Seven Month Slip in the First Edition) killed

herself after first killing her six-year-old child.

1971 - Ernie Galbraith died.
June 13:

1945 - Morgan R. gave a radio appearance for AA with large audience.

He was kept under surveillance to make sure he didn't drink.

June 15:

1940 - First AA Group in Baltimore, MD, was formed.

June 16:

1938 - Jim Burwell, "The Vicious Cycle" in Big Book, had his last


June 17:

1942 - New York AA groups sponsored the first annual NY area

meeting. Four hundred and twenty-four heard Dr. Silkworth and AA


June 18:

1940 - One hundred attended the first meeting in the first AA

clubhouse at 334-1/2 West 24th St., New York City.

June 19:

1942 - Columnist Earl Wilson reported that NYC Police Chief

Valentine sent six policemen to AA and they sobered up. "There are

fewer suicides in my files," he commented.

June 21:

1944 - The first Issue of the AA Grapevine was published.

June 24:

1938 - Two Rockefeller associates told the press about the Big

Book "Not to bear any author's name but to be by 'Alcoholics


June 25:

1939 - The New York Times reviewer wrote that the Big Book is "more

soundly based psychologically than any other treatment I have ever

come upon."

June 26:

1935 - Bill Dotson. (AA #3) entered Akron's City Hospital for his

last detox and his first day of sobriety.

June 28:

1935 - Dr. Bob and Bill Wilson visited Bill Dotson at Akron's City


June 30:

1941 - Ruth Hock showed Bill Wilson the Serenity Prayer and it was

adopted readily by AA.

2000 - More than 47,000 from 87 countries attended the opening

meeting of the 65th AA Anniversary in Minneapolis, MN.

Other significant events in June for which we have no specific date:

1948 - A subscription to the AA Grapevine was donated to the Beloit,

Wisconsin, Public Library by a local AA member.

1981 - AA in Switzerland held its 25th Anniversary Convention with

Lois Wilson and Nell Wing in attendance.
++++Message 3467. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Long form of the Traditions and

the 12 ‘ 12

From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 5/31/2006 10:50:00 PM
From Tommy H. and Jim S.
At 12:11 5/28/2006 , sobie396@aol.com wrote:
>Does anyone know when the long form of the Traditions

>were added to the 12 and 12, and any reason why they were

>omitted from early editions, like my June 1973 twelfth


I have a 15th printing and it does _NOT_ have the long form Traditions.
Tommy H


From: "Jim S."

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 8:12 am

My copy of the 12 and 12, printed in 1967, does not include the "long

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++++Message 3468. . . . . . . . . . . . Smitty''s Children - Dr Bob Family


From: dogmeat_44024 . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/3/2006 6:42:00 PM
Hi Group.
I've been working on a family tree of Dr Bob. I thought this would be

helpful to refer to, and know who's who when reading about and

discussing AA history.
In Smitty's obituary, it states that he was preceded in death by a son

named SCOTT. However, I have a recording of a talk that Smitty gave in

Waterbury, CT in March of 1999 in which he clearly descibes the

suicide of his oldest son, TODD.

Does anybody know which is correct?


++++Message 3469. . . . . . . . . . . . Sister Ignatia and William Tolliver

From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2006 4:32:00 PM

Sister Ignatia's Message Inspires
Akron Woman Treasures Book that Belonged to

Late Father; A.A. Figure Signed it in 1947

By Jim Carney

Beacon Journal staff writer

[Akron Beacon Journal, posted on their website on

Monday, June 5, 2006, complete text and photo at

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/living/religion/14743217.htm ]
Dee Sims Butler carefully opens the cover of the tiny book and points to a

handwritten inscription.

It's dated March 9, 1947. The book is The Following of Christ in Four Books


Thomas A. Kempis.

``To Mr. Tolliver. May God bless you and yours always. May He keep you ever

close to His Sacred Heart.''

On the opposite page are these words: ``Please say a little prayer for me.''
The book was signed by Sister Ignatia and given to Butler's father, William

Tolliver, an early African-American member of Alcoholics Anonymous.

Sister Ignatia was a key figure in the history of A.A., founded in Akron in

1935 by Akron physician Robert Smith and New York stockbroker Bill Wilson.

Sister Ignatia worked with Smith in 1939 to set up the world's first


ward at Akron's St. Thomas Hospital.
And Tolliver worked with Sister Ignatia to integrate Ignatia Hall, the


treatment ward at the hospital, said Butler, 78, of Akron, and her sister,

Lucimarian Roberts, 82, of Biloxi, Miss.

This weekend, 10,000 to 14,000 A.A. members will converge on Akron for

Founders Day to commemorate the organization's beginnings. A.A. has more

than 2

million members who gather periodically at more than 105,000 meetings.

Tolliver was born in West Virginia in 1897. He was an alcoholic when he


to Akron around 1920, Butler said, and drank every day when she was growing

In West Virginia, she said, ``he drove a rum wagon from county to county,


to keep warm, they would drink rum.''

In Akron, he ran the T and S Pure Oil Service Station on South Arlington

Following his own experience with A.A., Tolliver took an alcoholic friend to

St. Thomas. With the help of Sister Ignatia, Tolliver's friend was admitted


the alcohol ward.

Sister Ignatia was born Bridget Della Mary Gavin in Ireland in 1889 and


to Cleveland with her family in 1896, according to Sister Ignatia: Angel of

Alcoholics Anonymous by Fairlawn resident Mary C. Darrah.

A Sisters of Charity of St. Augustine nun, Sister Ignatia arrived at St.

Thomas Hospital in 1928. She left St. Thomas in 1952 for Cleveland, where


founded Rosary Hall, an alcohol treatment facility at St. Vincent Charity

She died in 1966.
A new Sister Ignatia Heritage Center will open inside the Chapel at St.


Hospital over Founders Day weekend.
Earlier this year, a section of East 22nd Street in Cleveland was given a

secondary name of Sister Ignatia Way on the 40th anniversary of her death.

Tolliver died in Akron in 1978 at the age of 80.
Both Dani McCann, a public relations planner for Summa Health System, and


L., Akron A.A. archivist, said they really can't assess what role Tolliver


in integrating Ignatia Hall because so much of A.A.'s history is verbal.
Lonnie B., a 79-year-old Akronite with nearly 50 years of sobriety, who was

helped in A.A. by Tolliver, said it made sense to him that Tolliver would


been involved in such an effort with Sister Ignatia.

Roberts, a retired social worker, teacher and counselor, said that when her

father stopped drinking and got involved in A.A., ``his whole outlook on


was so different.... It was a remarkable thing.''

Butler, a retired nursing clerical supervisor and licensed practical nurse

from Akron Children's Hospital, said her father spent countless hours

talking to

those in treatment at St. Thomas.

Tolliver always kept the little book given to him by Sister Ignatia near


in his briefcase. Now that book and the woman who gave it to him continue to

inspire Butler.

``There is no doubt that Sister Ignatia gave the most support to A.A. here


Akron,'' she said. ``She was a most beautiful person. When she smiled, the


place just lit up.''

From the moderator:
The book of meditations by the late medieval author Thomas a Kempis (c.

1380-1471), the "Imitatio Christi," is better known today under

the title "The

Imitation of Christ." It first appeared in 1418, and has become one of

the most

often printed books on spirituality ever written. It is used and admired by


Catholics and Protestants.

The other little book which Sister Ignatia sometimes gave to people who


through her treatment program was a book of excerpts from the


Exercises" of St. Ignatius Loyola (1491 or 1495-1556), the founder of


Jesuits. The full text of the "Spiritual Exercises" is easily

available, but if

anyone in the group has a copy of that particular book of excerpts from St.

Ignatius which Sister Ignatia passed out (which has long been out of print),


would be deeply grateful for a photocopy of it. It would be important to


what portions of the "Spiritual Exercises" were excerpted, in

order to get a

better idea of the sources of early AA spirituality.

In our emphasis on the Oxford Group, the Upper Room, New Thought books like

Emmet Fox's "Sermon on the Mount" and James Allen's "As a Man

Thinketh," along

with (in the case of early Boston and Florida AA) the Emmanuel Movement and

Jacoby Club literature, we tend to forget the Catholics in early AA, and


important contributions to early AA spirituality.
From almost the very beginning, AA had both Protestant and Catholic members,

along with an occasional Jewish member (like the famous Irving Meyerson in

Cleveland, who helped start so many AA groups in other places, like

Indianapolis). And they treasured the fact that a Buddhist AA group was


at a very early period. The Catholic contributions are the ones which most


researching at this point, and some of the most important linkages here


through Sister Ignatia and her spirituality.

Glenn Chesnut

South Bend, Indiana

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++++Message 3470. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Long form of the Traditions and

the 12 ‘ 12

From: Corky Forbes . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/6/2006 8:12:00 PM
I have a 2nd addition 1955 which has the long form of the 12 traditions.

Corky Forbes

----- Original Message -----

From: Tom Hickcox

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:50 PM

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Long form of the Traditions and the 12 and

From Tommy H. and Jim S.

At 12:11 5/28/2006 , sobie396@aol.com wrote:
>Does anyone know when the long form of the Traditions

>were added to the 12 and 12, and any reason why they were

>omitted from early editions, like my June 1973 twelfth


I have a 15th printing and it does _NOT_ have the long form Traditions.
Tommy H


From: "Jim S."

Date: Thu Jun 1, 2006 8:12 am

My copy of the 12 and 12, printed in 1967, does not include the "long

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++++Message 3471. . . . . . . . . . . . Dave B., "Gratitude in Action"

From: Henry . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/7/2006 7:50:00 AM

I would be grateful if anyone can give me any information on Dave B ,

the writter of "Gratitude in Action" in the fourth edition of the



++++Message 3472. . . . . . . . . . . . My name is X

From: jamesoddname . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/7/2006 8:09:00 PM

I'm new to this group -- my name is Jim and I'm a grateful recovering


As a historian by training, I've naturally gotten interested in AA

history since coming into the program last year.

A question that intrigues me, that perhaps someone here could answer:

When, where, and by whom did the practice begin of introducing

ourselves at meetings with the formula "My name is X and I'm an


Probably the answer is somewhere in the groups archives but I don't

know how to ferret it out. Thank you for your patience.

Jim C.
++++Message 3473. . . . . . . . . . . . 138 Lexington Street in Brooklyn?

From: ricktompkins@comcast.net . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/7/2006 5:49:00 AM

Hi group,

A good friend of mine recently visited NYC and took a 'cook's tour' of

historically important AA sites. In Brooklyn and 192 Clinton Street (the


home where Bill and Lois lived before and after Bill got sober), there is an

address at 138 Lexington Street---around a few corners but relatively in the

same neighborhood.

My friend doesn't recall the details of the Lexington Street address.

Can anyone shed some light through this window on our past?
Rick, Illinois
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++++Message 3474. . . . . . . . . . . . Richard R. Peabody

From: trixiebellaa . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/10/2006 5:13:00 AM

Can anyone give us any information on Richard R.

Peabody and the part he played in alcoholism and AA.

Thanks for your help.


From the moderator:
One of the most thorough studies of Richard R. Peabody is in Richard M.


book, "The Road to Fellowship: The Role of the Emmanuel Movement and

the Jacoby

Club in the Development of Alcoholics Anonymous" (2004), in Chapter 3,


Continuation of Therapy: Courtenay Baylor and Richard R. Peabody."


But I'm sure some of the members of the group will be able to give you a


account of Peabody and his book, "The Common Sense of Drinking."

We know that

Bill W. and Lois had both read that book.
Jim Bishop's novel "The Glass Crutch" was a novel written back

during that

period, portraying in fictional form what it was like for an alcoholic to go


Peabody to get help in stopping drinking.

The phrase in the Big Book "half measures availed us nothing"

seems to have been

drawn from Peabody's phrase "halfway measures are of no avail."
Glenn Chesnut (South Bend, Indiana)
++++Message 3475. . . . . . . . . . . . Bill Wilson Telling His Story

From: Paul . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/10/2006 5:43:00 PM

Someone asked me if there is a DVD or VHS of Bill W telling his story

out of the BB. I don't know that's why I am asking AAHistoryLovers

for your help with this.
Thanks Paul
++++Message 3476. . . . . . . . . . . . When did the term "alcoholism" first

start to be used?

From: trixiebellaa . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/10/2006 5:11:00 AM
Hi history lovers,

Can anyone help us with the term alcoholism?

When did this did word first begin to be used

instead of dypsomania and who coined the term?

Thanks for you help in this matter.
++++Message 3477. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: 138 Lexington Street in


From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/12/2006 8:24:00 PM
From: "jwltx2004" jwltx2004@yahoo.com

(jwltx2004 at yahoo.com)

38 Livingston Street, Brooklyn, was Bill's home during his high flying years

on Wall Street. Combined two apartments.

Rick Tompkins had asked, what was the significance in AA history of the 138

Lexington Street address in Brooklyn, which is in relatively the same

neighborhood as 192 Clinton Street (the Burnham home where Bill and Lois


right before and immediately after Bill got sober)?
jwltx2004 wrote in and gave us this information and a place to go and find


about other sites:
There is a list of AA historical sites in New York City at


jwltx2004 said, "I went to these places a couple of years ago and it

was well

worth the time."
Historical Sites in New York from World Services
Town's Hospital: 293 Central Park West. Bill made 4 trips to Town's

Hospital and ultimately a Spiritual Experience. Dr Silkworth,

Medical Superintendent, treated 40,000 alkies and wrote The Doctor's

Calvary Church/House: 21st and Park Ave. South where Bill attended

Oxford Group meetings and got sober along with Ebby, Rowland, Cebra,

Hank, and all the gang. Sam Shoemaker, source of 'all AA's spiritual

principles via the Oxford Group,' was the pastor of Calvary.
17 Williams Street in Newark, NJ, "Honor Dealers" Office; Hank

Parkhurst and Bill Wilson set up the first "Headquarters"

office. Most

of the Big Book is written here and Ruth Hock (secretary) is the first

non-alcoholic employee.
30 Vesey Street, NYC, Second Office, After Bill splits with Hank.


415 Lexington; Office moves to Grand Central Area after Bill gets

Bedford Hills home. Easy commute. (1940-1944)

141 East 44th Street. More space. (1950-1960.)
315 East 45th Street, larger quarters in Grand Central Area (1960-

468 Park Avenue South; General Service Office for over 20 years,

finally occupying 5 floors in 2 buildings. (including 470 Park

Avenue South). (470) (1970-1992.)

475 Riverside Drive, 11th Floor/half of 10th (1992-present.)
38 Livingston Street, Brooklyn: Bill's home during high flying years

on Wall Street. Combined two apartments.

182 Clinton Street; Brooklyn. Bill's home when he got sober. Gift of

Lois's father. Lost during depression. (sober)

30 Rockefeller Plaza; where Bill met 'Uncle Dick' Richardson,

conduit to John D Rockefeller. Bill sat in Rockefeller's chair on

the 66th Floor Office of John D.
Roosevelt Hotel, Madison Ave. and 44th Street. Site of over 35 General

Service Conferences.

Park Omni, Seventh Avenue and 56th Street. Site of General Service


New York Hilton, 1335 Avenue of the Americas, site of "Bill W

Dinner" put on by NY Intergroup since 1945.

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++++Message 3478. . . . . . . . . . . . How many people did Bill W sponsor?

From: Carl P. . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/11/2006 11:41:00 AM

Hi history lovers, I am standing in for trixiebellaa

for a week and our study group have asked, how many

people did bill w sponsor?
Many Thanks
Carl P.
++++Message 3479. . . . . . . . . . . . How many whom Dr Bob sponsored

stayed sober?

From: Carl P. . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/11/2006 11:39:00 AM
Hi History Lovers, I am standing in for trixiebellaa

for a week and our study group have asked, do you have

any information on how many out of the five thousand

people whom Dr. Bob sponsored stayed sober?

++++Message 3480. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "My Name is Bill W" available on


From: sargeantgascan . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/11/2006 7:00:00 PM
I just picked up the new DVD today of "My Name is

Bill W," and they really cleaned up the picture

immensely. This movie has never looked this good.

I don't think the original TV reel was this good,

of course, it's been so long since I saw it on TV.

But the DVD is very crisp and clean.

In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "sargeantgascan"

You might be pleased to know that "My Name is Bill W" is

going to be released on DVD in June. I agree it is a great

movie and I was really disappointed when I couldn't find it

on DVD after finding my old VHS tapes picture quality so

scratched up.
++++Message 3481. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Richard R. Peabody

From: Mel Barger . . . . . . . . . . . . 6/12/2006 9:13:00 AM

I have a chapter on Richard Peabody and the Emmanuel Movement in my book

"New Wine," published in 1991 by Hazelden. I had the feeling that


work had an important role in the forming of AA, though Peabody himself

operated independently and passed on while the AA founders were still in the

Oxford Group. It's interesting that Peabody's home and offices were less

than a block from Sam Shoemaker's Calvary Episcopal Church, and a few of

the early AA's may have sought his help. But there was no spiritual

component in Peabody's method, and I don't think he really understood the

extreme importance of getting rid of resentments at all costs. His first

wife (who dumped him) was a beautiful woman named Polly who later took the

name "Caresse" and married two more alcoholics after leaving

Peabody (which

supports the belief that certain women are attracted to drunks).

The Jim Bishop book, "The Glass Crutch," gave us a good view of


and the recovery achieved by his client, William Wister, in the same year

that Bill Wilson got sober. But Wister got drunk after nine years and never

really made it back, though he did work as a lay therapist for a while.
Mel Barger


The reference to the book "New Wine" was also sent

in by michael oates

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