From: Phillip Waters . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/2/2006 8:52:00 PM
I have several talks by Lois in MP3 format.
Please feel free to contact me off list.
My e-mail address is:
(muddy at bham.rr.com)
++++Message 3304. . . . . . . . . . . . Wombley''s Clapboard Factory?
From: Joe Adams . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/3/2006 12:54:00 AM
Can ANYONE give me some background of the big
explosion of Wombley's Clapboard Factory?
It's April and my home group - and many of the groups
around here - will be studying Tradition 4 again.
Last year I went to six meetings in a row that were all
the same and no one has any idea of the significance
of the reference.
Not that it is a major point of recovery, but it IS in
the books and we DO get that question every single
Anybody? (and smile, it's not all that grim)
FROM THE MODERATOR (Glenn Chesnut)
The "day the boiler burst in Wombley's
Clapboard Factory" is referred to in
Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions pp. 147-149.
(This is also where we find Rule No. 62,
"Don't take yourself too damn seriously.")
We have a couple of past messages which talked
about this, which I give immediately below
(Messages 2324 and 1610). Does anyone in the
AAHistoryLovers have any additional information?
Message 2324 from "Mark Morse"
(markm at eauclaire.lib.wi.us)
Wombley's clapboard factory
Regarding the "explosion in Wombley's Clapboard
Factory," there was an Edgar Wombley, Chemist,
in Chittenden County, Vermont, before the turn of
the century. The Mad River Valley, which housed
such early clapboard mills as that of the Ward
family first in Duxbury, then in Moretwown, ran
through Chittenden county.
Message 1610 from Jim Blair
(jblair at videotron.ca)
I had a discussion with Ozzie Lepper who runs
the Wilson House in East Dorset and he claims
that the foundations of the clapboard factory
can still be seen.
The full story, pp. 147-149 from the chapter
in the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions on the
Fourth Tradition ("Each group should be autonomous
except in matters affecting other groups or A.A.
as a whole"). That section says:
Every group had the right to be wrong.
When A.A. was still young, lots of eager groups
were forming. In a town we'll call Middleton, a
real crackerjack had started up. The townspeople
were as hot as firecrackers about it. Stargazing,
the elders dreamed of innovations. They figured
the town needed a great big alcoholic center, a
kind of pilot plant A.A. groups could duplicate
everywhere. Beginning on the ground floor there
would be a club; in the second story they would
sober up drunks and hand them currency for the back
debts; the third deck would house and educational
project - quite controversial, of course. In
imagination the gleaming center was to go up
several stories more, but three would do for a
start. This would all take a lot of money - other
people's money. Believe it or not, wealthy
townsfolk bought the idea.
There were, though, a few conservative dissenters
among the alcoholics. They wrote the Foundation*,
A.A.'s headquarters in New York, wanting to know
about this sort of streamlining. They understood
that the elders, just to nail things down good,
were about to apply to the Foundation for a charter.
These few were disturbed and skeptical.
[*In 1954, the name of the Alcoholic Foundation, Inc.,
was changed to the General Service Board of Alcoholics
Hi history lovers, could you please tell us why
this part of Dr. Silkworth's second letter was in
the original manuscript of the Big Book, but taken
out when the book went to the printers.
"Then there are those who are never properly adjusted
to life, who are the so-called neurotics. The prognosis
of this type is unfavorable."
Thank you for your help in this mattter.
++++Message 3310. . . . . . . . . . . . Joe and Charlie tapes online
From: K D Dew . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/7/2006 5:23:00 AM
A while back I stumbled upon a link that had a
series of 9 real audio recordings of Joe and Charlie
and the big book study along with a word document
transcription of that session.
Unfortunately, I had a hard drive crash and I'm unable
to locate the backup that I made.
If anyone knows the link, please send it to me at
my e-mail address:
(Kddew_md at bardstowncable.net)
++++Message 3311. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Are there recordings of Lois
From: Mike Aycock . . . . . . . . . . . . 4/6/2006 1:19:00 AM
I have a boxed set which includes Bill W. (AA), Dr. Bob
just has a few words to say. I do know that there are a
few recordings by her. If you need more info on this you
can probably check with James M. at:
(JamesTapes at aol.com).
++++Message 3312. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Joe and Charlie tapes online