that I didn't have time to think about it much."
If Bill W. has assigned the writing of "To Employers" to Hank P.,
he could not
have used writing style as a reason to not allow Lois to write a chapter or
chapters and Lois would have noted this in her history book.
Maybe we have a case of something being repeated often enough that it
the truth, sort of.
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++++Message 3291. . . . . . . . . . . . Circle and triangle on poker chips
in "The Sting"
From: george cleveland . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/24/2006 10:10:00 PM
I have seen these on eBay several times.
The circle and triangle are certainly not unique. Geometrically, they fit
and one can find them in many places. I saw the symbol on a gas station fill
cover the other day. And the state where I live actually uses it for the
Alcoholic Beverage Commission. So when you go to a State Liquor Store, you
the AA logo.
However I am not sure of the exact reason or origin for the appearance on
Jari Kokkinen wrote: Hi everyone!
must tell you about an incident that relates to poker chips. About a year
the film "Sting" and in it the players in a poker game used chips
of AA - the circle inside the triangle on their reverse side. I wonder if
anybody would have any comments clarifying that coincidence or would just
noticed the same thing?
Jari - an AA from Finland
++++Message 3292. . . . . . . . . . . . Chapter 10: Bill or Hank?
December 1938 Prospectus. The last line of the page entitled "The
Present Program" indicates that "ten chapters [of One Hundred Men]
have now been written." The missing chapter was either Chapter 5 or
Chapter 10. Everyone agrees that Chapters 1 and 2 were the first
ones finished, and the drafts of those chapters were used to try to
coax an advance from publishers. Bill's talks indicate that the last
Chapter he finished was Chapter 5, How It Works. The Prospectus does
not indicate the name or subject matter of the missing chapter. Can
anyone in this forum identify the month Bill wrote up the 12 steps?
If Bill's quick writeup of the 12 steps on his bed occurred prior to
December 1938, then it is probable that Chapter 10 was the missing
++++Message 3295. . . . . . . . . . . . Are there recordings of Lois Wilson
From: George Cleveland . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/27/2006 9:52:00 PM
I am blessed with a great collection of recordings of Bill Wilson.
Listening to the spoken words of Bill and other long-timers (in some
cases before they were long-timers) is a wonderful resource. Thanks to
our technology these days, we can hear these people breathing in our
ears. And the message of 50 years ago is the same as today.
I have been wandering through Google and all the links that Glenn and
others have provided. Can someone direct me to where I might find
downloads of Lois' talks? Are there recordings of Anne Smith?
Thanks for any help you can provide.
++++Message 3296. . . . . . . . . . . . Working the Steps/Program
From: Dean C . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/28/2006 2:10:00 PM
I've searched the text in the front part of the book ("Alcoholics
Anonymous") and don't find the phrasing "working the Steps"
or "work the
Steps" or "work the program" anywhere.
What I find is "the steps we took," "practice these
principles," "accept and
practice spiritual principles," "apply spiritual principles,"
answer and program of action which a hundred of them had followed,"
our program," "following the program ," "give themselves
to this simple
program," "let up on the spiritual program of action,"
"a practical program
of action," "go through with the Twelve Steps of the program of
"Let the alcoholic continue his program," "he may go for the
once," "try our program," "falling down on his spiritual
program," "the wife
who adopts a sane spiritual program, making a better practical use of
and so on.
The word "work" is used to convey a result, as in "It
worked!" Or, it's an
action based on what we've learned, as in "if an alcoholic failed to
and enlarge his spiritual life through work and self-sacrifice for others.
Or "a design for living that works in rough going." Or "we
try to put
spiritual principles to work in every department of our lives." (And so
To me, "working the Steps" has a connotation far different from
the book. It sounds difficut, unattractive, for one thing. And "work
program" sounds, to me, well, conniving, as in "work the
system," or like
what a comedian or salesperson or politician might do: "work the
"work the room."
Perhaps in other geographical areas, "work the Steps" isn't heard.
pretty much all that is heard here.
Does anyone know when these "work" phrases crept into our AA
where it appears in Conference-approved literature?)
-- Dean Collins
Monterey Peninsula, California
++++Message 3297. . . . . . . . . . . . Author of "It Might Have Been Worse"
only a few sentences but it is a charming recording.
Also, on this CD is two of Dr. Bob's talks:
(1) at Detroit in 1948 and (2) at Cleveland in 1950.
Akron AA Audio Archives
775 North Main Street
Akron, OH 44310
FROM: Joe Adams
(sober_in_nc at yahoo.com)
I, too, love to hear the voice that gave use the
words, and I download many many many free files in MP3
format from http://www.xa-speakers.org, including
historic Bill, Bob, Lois and other key speakers.
Another good library to hear things online in
real-audio format from
I am not aware of any recordings by Anne ... and will
be watching the list to see if anyone has better
FROM: "K D Dew"
(kddew at bardstowncable.net)
I know of one free recording try this link:
Down the page about 3/4 of the way there is
a link to "Lois W." it is Lois Wilson.
Here's another link:
but they charge
++++Message 3299. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Working the Steps/Program
I would like to know the exact source of a wonderful quotation on dealing
resentment that appears in "Freedom From Bondage," a personal
story in the Big
Book. The personal story was first used in the 2nd edition, published in
and has been retained in the 3rd and 2nd editions, which indicates that the
editors felt it was of superior quality.
Here's the quotation, which can be found on p. 552 of the 4th (latest)
edition. The author said she found it in a magazine article and that it was
about getting rid of resentment. It was by a prominent clergyman
He said, in effect: If you have a resentment you want to be free of, if you
will pray for the person or the thing that you resent, you will be free. If
will ask in prayer for everything you want for yourself to be given to them,
will be free. Ask for their health, their prosperity, their happiness, and
will be free. Even when you don't really want it for them and your prayers
only words and you don't mean it, go ahead and do it anyway. Do it every day
for two weeks, and you will find you have come to mean it and to want it for
them, and you will realize that where you used to feel bitterness and
and hatred, you now feel compassionate understanding and love."
The author went on to say it worked for her then and worked for her since
worked every time she was willing to work it.
Who was the prominent clergyman who authored this quotation? My guess is
that it was Norman Vincent Peale, who became very prominent with his 1952
publication of that blockbuster, "The Power of Positive Thinking."
He was a
good friend of AA and even devoted a large part of one chapter in that book
AA. But does anyone know where the above quotation appeared? It had to be
before 1955, because that's when it first appeared in the Big Book. It was
magazine with the word "resentment" on the cover, as this is what
caught the Big
Book writer's attention. It might have been in Guideposts magazine and
different from the quotation shown above, as the author used "in
It's a great quotation, by the way, and ought to be put on a card and passed
around at meetings, especially when resentment is the topic. Come to think
it, I think I'll do that for my group her in Toledo and any of the History
Lovers could easily download it from this message and circulate it in their
LOL to All,
Mel Barger, Toledo, Ohio
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++++Message 3302. . . . . . . . . . . . Jack H. (sob. 1958) passed away...