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hi history lovers,

Page 140 of To Employers says: "Can it be appreciated that he has been

a victim of crooked thinking, directly caused by the action of alcohol

on his brain?"
One of our members asked why would Bill put such an important piece of

information in the chapter to employers,instead of perhaps one of the

chapters at the beginning of the book.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks from Tracy

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++++Message 3255. . . . . . . . . . . . William Y. "California Bill" take


From: ckbudnick . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/16/2006 12:18:00 AM
On February 7th I posted the following but have not received any

responses. I am hoping that someone has some information since the

following is listed as a significant event in AA history:
In Message 3129, "Significant February dates in A.A. History "


it says:
Feb 14, 2000 - William Y., "California Bill"

dies in Winston Salem, NC.

Who was William Y. "California Bill" and what is his

significance in AA history?


Raleigh, NC

++++Message 3256. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Price of things since 1935...

From: meb_nosix . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/16/2006 10:44:00 AM

--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Markle



> In meetings around here, I've noticed the chairperson stating that

> newcomers, visitors and those currently in a hospital or treatment


> (in patient), need not contribute.


> Jon (Raleigh)

> 9/9/82



> > From: Arkie Koehl

> > Reply-To:

> > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:40:48 -1000

> > To:

> > Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Price of things since 1935...

> >

> > My personal experience has been that while in treatment I was

encouraged to

> > participate in AA meetings, including putting money in the basket.

> > The centre I went through provides rooms and encourages meetings

and has

> > forgone collecting rent so a meeting can get off the ground and


> > established.

> >

> > Fiona D

> >

> >

> > On Mar 7, 2006, at 11:46, ArtSheehan wrote:

> >

> >> Several years ago some posters and flyers were distributed


> >> members to consider donating $2, instead of $1, in the 7th


> >> collections at meetings. I think this is a touchy issue since


> >> are a number of members who just can't afford to do so. It

should be

> >> left up to each member to decide for themselves. My appeal

would be

> >> for each member to just try to donate something no matter how


> >

> > Is there, to anyone's knowledge, a protocol on donations from

> > treatment center in-patients sent to AA meetings? I'm guessing


> > is no right way to handle the awkward fact that so many patients


> > sent to our meetings by profit-making treatment centers yet put

> > nothing in the basket. Of course the patient should not be


> > to contribute, but the "provider" is charging the

patient or the

> > state money for the treatment and using AA as a free resource.

> >

> > Arkie

> >

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> > Yahoo! Groups Links

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Not sure where these meetings are that you talk about but agree that

those interested ina solution should listen to those that are able to

offer one. Step 2 "Came to beleive that a power greater than ourselves

could restore us to sanity" clearly states that we are insane till we

have the essential personality change brought on by folowing the

steps. Those not working the steps or new to the program are in no

position to offer anything but the a deluded view of reality that has

landed them there in the first place. I've been to many meetings while

in early recovery and found til i completed the steps exactly as

outlined in the big book i had no idea what i was talking about and

basically stayed in the problem. Those interested in a solution and

sick of living in the problem will be the ones that are happy to

listen. God bless.

++++Message 3257. . . . . . . . . . . . Are any AAHL''s going to Ireland

From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/16/2006 12:00:00 PM

The 60th Anniversary of AA in Ireland will be celebrated in Cork Ireland

next month at the All Ireland convention. Do any AAHL members plan to


Are there any AAHL members in Ireland besides Fiona D., who has most


agreed to show us County Mayo and the birthplace of Sister Ignatia ?


There will be a closed meeting of the Archives Committee in

Philadelphia, Pa at 444 N.3rd St 3rd floor at 1 PM on Saturday 3/18/06. We


play a

videotape of Conor F (the man who took AA to Ireland/ Europe and Dr. Moore (

who provides Conor with Richard P.) the 1st man sober in Ireland. Because it


a videotape from 1982 it will be a closed meeting(for alcoholics only)

The statement of anonymity will be read at the meeting

Yours in Service,

Shakey Mike G
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++++Message 3258. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Crooked thinking

From: David Jones . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/16/2006 5:04:00 PM

I don't know whether you would consider this, it is just opinion and I


no evidence to back it up.
But, Bill's use of recent historical events as part of his argument,

such as

the Titanic when it comes to the part "we are like passengers of a


Would suggest that recent social/historical events were maybe in his mind,

this said, then an employer may look on an alcoholic as a liability and not

worth the investment in salvaging. Given that in recent memory the US has

had a depression no shortage of willing workers; and the prohibition a moral

judgment and one that may have increased in some way the numbers of


Then the second world war intervened and ended the employment problem and

gave the country a focus and unity.

My question would be; how were employers inclined to think post war rather

than pre war.

God bless
it would be my guess that employers are more inclined to think in

intellectual terms than medical or spiritual. especially in that time, when

alcoholism was considered more of a moral dilema than a spiritual mallody or

terminal illness.

just a thought.

C. Cook

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