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Does anyone know more about him?

I still remember his theme song.."Somebody Cares" and recall


weeping alone in my room.

It keeps getting better

Gene in Westchester

++++Message 3203. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: movie slang

From: jocis007@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/22/2006 11:41:00 PM

do the right thing is from the Big Book. "Never avoid these

responsibilities, but be sure you are doing the right thing if you assume

them." from

chapter 7

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++++Message 3204. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Ester''s preamble, Dallas, Texas

From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2006 9:00:00 AM

Based on research I've been doing for the last few years, I'm fairly

certain that the so-called "Esther's Preamble" should not be

attributed to her as her invention. If you are referring to what is

also sometimes called the "Texas Preamble" I don't believe that my

home state of Texas should be credited with its invention either. As a

resident of Arlington, TX I don't pass this on with enthusiasm but I'm

doing extensive research for publication of a paper on how AA started

in Fort Worth and Dallas. There is much myth surrounding this.

A January 1945 article was submitted to the Grapevine by Merle S of

Dallas, TX saluting Esther E as starting AA in Dallas upon her arrival

in 1943. However, evidence exists, in GSO Archives news-clipping

scrapbooks that AA started in Dallas as early as 1941.

Due to the impact of mobilization for World War II, early Dallas

pioneers were eventually relocated elsewhere through war work or

service in the armed forces. Esther E certainly was a pioneer in

revitalizing AA in Dallas. A woman she sponsored, by the name of Anne

T, similarly helped revitalize AA in Fort Worth during the difficult

war years of the early to mid-1940's. Ester was also very instrumental

in helping to start AA in San Antonio.
A remarkable series of correspondence between Esther and Bobbie B,

AA's second national Secretary, provide a detailed history of the

development of AA in Dallas and Fort Worth. One thing that can be

definitely stated about Esther is that she was a remarkable woman and

a natural historian. Her correspondence with Bobbie has revealed

information I've been searching for about 3 years now. There is no

doubt in my mind that Esther's correspondence provides the definitive

history for how AA originated in the Fort Worth/Dallas metroplex (as

well as a few other Texas locations).
In regard to the preamble, several variations are attributed to

different locations in the US. Barring the discovery of dated source

documents, the establishment of primacy is probably beyond possibility

at this point in time. The preamble contains material from the "Akron

Manual" (c 1940)as well as extracts from the 1st edition Big Book

Foreword and basic text.

The earliest genuine copy of the preamble I've been able to locate

locally is in a 1946 document in the archives of the Harbor Club in

Fort Worth, TX. The preamble originated some years prior to that but I

haven't been able yet to locate an earlier original or facsimile.

I'll send you some additional material to your web site email address

unless you want me to send it to a different address.


-----Original Message-----

From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of diazeztone

Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:57 PM

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Ester's preamble, Dallas, Texas
I am looking for a copy of Ester's (elizardi)

preamble, Dallas, Texas.

She wrote the story "Flower of the South."

She was founder of AA in Dallas, Texas.

Anybody have any idea how many different AA

talks there are by her which are still

LD Pierce

editor aabibliograpy.com

Yahoo! Groups Links
++++Message 3205. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Does anyone remember "The

Happiness Exchange"?

From: johnpublico . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2006 1:39:00 AM
I've heard that Big Joe's show was underwritten by the Salvation Army

and was one of the first call-in shows on radio (you only heard his

voice). It promoted people helping one another and had a strong

spiritual angle. This is Rosenfeld's obituary as it appeared in The

New York Times:

Published: December 19, 1987

LEAD: Joe Rosenfield Jr., who was the host of a radio talk show

called ''The Happiness Exchange'' for many years, died on Nov. 22 at

a nursing home in Falmouth, Me., after a long illness. He was 86

years old.

Joe Rosenfield Jr., who was the host of a radio talk show

called ''The Happiness Exchange'' for many years, died on Nov. 22 at

a nursing home in Falmouth, Me., after a long illness. He was 86

years old.

Mr. Rosenfield, who was known as Big Joe, did a nighttime show during

what was called ''the insomnia stretch'' from 2 to 5 A.M. Broadcast

over several New York radio stations from 1949 to 1962, the show

raised large sums in contributions by letting the unfortunate air

their troubles.
Born and raised in Tennessee, Mr. Rosenfield began his first

nighttime program with his son, Joe 3d, in New Orleans. His nickname,

Big Joe, evolved to differentiate him from his son.
Mr. Rosenfield is survived by his second wife, Ruth, of Falmouth,

Me.; a son, Joe, of Acton, Mass., and a daughter, Dorothy Fisher-

Smith, of Ashland, Ore.; six grandchildren, and six great-



I didn't listen to Big Joe, myself. I'd listen to Jean Shepherd on

WOR, keeping the volume low so my parents wouldn't know I was up so

late on a school night.

I'll never forget how Shepherd would tell you to put your radio on

the window sill and turn the volume all the way up; then he

would "hurl an invective" at your neighbors. Something like,


can't stand this neighborhood. Take your goddamn wash off the

line!!" Just the sort of thing for a somewhat demented 14 year-old.
John K in Charlotte
--- In AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com, "Gene"



> When I was a depressed kid I'd stay up at night unable to sleep and

> listen to Big Joe on the Happiness Exchange...Early radio sold


> after it's daily programming was over, and Big Joe Rosenfeld had a

> show from 1AM till 3 or 4...on WABC radio, New York.

> I learned that he coined the expression...

> "One is too many and a thousand isn't enough"...

> I have subsequently learned that Bill W had a major impact on his

> life...

> Does anyone know more about him?

> I still remember his theme song.."Somebody Cares" and recall


> weeping alone in my room.


> It keeps getting better

> Gene in Westchester


++++Message 3206. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Ester''s preamble, Dallas, Texas

From: timderan . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/24/2006 2:03:00 AM

"Texas Preamble"
One thing I vaguely remember is that the so called "Texas

Preamble" appeared

once in the Grapevine several years ago. I do not remember the month or

year, but, I remember reading it there. You might know something of it or

want to look into it.
++++Message 3207. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Dr. Howard/Hank P.


From: Mike and Sarah . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 12:01:00 PM
Dear MK -
Just finally getting to read a great deal of saved AA History Lovers


Wow. Just a question.

Regarding an e-mail from you on January 26,06 regarding galleys, Cornwall,

Living Sober, etc.
My question, regarding the friend of Barry. Maybe also even just yourself? I

have been wondering about

the 'Bill's Birthday talk' that he gave at NY Intergroup every year.


the final talk

of Bill at the NY Intergroup event which was held on or close to his own


'69, '70? Do you, or did Barry and/or his friend know if a recording of this

event ever was made?

Was / is it an item held in the archives of GSO? I have asked them about


response as of yet.

OK. So, I guess that is as about as simple as I can put it across to you.

Regardless, thanks for being part

of this.
Mike D.

Houston, TX

SETA Archives Committee
-----Original Message-----

>From: "Mitchell K."

>Sent: Jan 26, 2006 4:38 AM

>To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

>Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] The Dr. Howard/Hank P. manuscript




> From what I have learned, this

>> one manuscript was brought to Cornwall Press in the

>> Nyack, New York area of the Hudson River valley in

>> February 1939---


>Just a quick geographical correction. The Cornwall

>Press was located in Cornwall, NY located in Orange

>County, NY. The first edition printings were done

>there as were several of the 2nd edition printings.

>The company merged with another and from what I

>understand, further printings were done in New Jersey.


>When the galleys were gone over, it was done by Bill

>W., Hank P., Ruth Hock and Dorothy Snyder who came up

>to Cornwall to go over them.


>As far as Barry's family giving anything to AAWS, due

>to a history of problems, litigation and pending

>litigation over royalties for Living Sober They had no

>desire to give AAWS anything. There was a great deal

>of animosity generated. I remember going over all the

>drafts for Living Sober which were housed in a

>friend's apartment in Connecticut. This friend had

>many of Barry's materials as well as another friend's

>materials which were left to him (Ron was involved

>with many of the private recordings of Bill W. and

>Bill speaking at his anniversaries in NYC - I think

>close to 200 of them and left them to Dennis when he

>passed on). I have no idea where these materials might

>be today (I do have some guesses). Dennis was a

>collector of AA memorabilia and had a small but

>amazing collection. There were some great "spook", LSD

>and vitamin B tapes but as I was only allowed to

>listen to portions of them, not make copies or take

>notes, unless they surface again, the material

>contained in them might be lost.






>Yahoo! Groups Links








++++Message 3208. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Ester''s preamble, Dallas, Texas

From: Diz Titcher . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 8:43:00 PM

I saw one in the Houston Intergroup office years ago.
"diazeztone" (eztone at hotmail.com)

wrote in saying:

I am looking for a copy of Ester's preamble, Dallas, Texas.
++++Message 3209. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Self-Support

From: Azor521@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/22/2006 8:14:00 PM

In the February 2006 AA Grapevine on page 21 is an excellent article titled,

"A Buck in the Basket?"

The on line Grapevine archives are awesome! _www.aagrapevine.org_


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++++Message 3210. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: The Late Liz

From: Bill Lash . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2006 5:23:00 PM

I have a copy of this movie and just watched it for the first time. Here


my revue:

Woman drinks

Woman drinks more (always has a drink in each hand)

Woman drinks non-stop with fake friends

Woman cheats on second husband

Woman drinks

Woman remarries

Woman experiences alcoholic progression

Woman's alcoholism pushes away older son, younger son forgives and stays



Woman drinks

Woman's alcoholism pushes away third husband

Woman experiences alcoholic insanity and bewilderment

Woman tries to commit suicide by taking many sleeping pills with booze

Woman has a spiritual experience while near dead

Woman awakes from the coma

Woman fights off urges to drink and begins to annoy fake friends with talk

about God

Woman's conversion experience leads her to a church thanks to her youngest


Woman commits herself to being involved with the church

Woman begins to help a friend who also has a drinking problem thanks to the

help of her new pastor

The End



-----Original Message-----

From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of billyk

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 4:40 AM

To: bajohanson@charter.net; History Lovers

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] The Late Liz

i checked out this web site and also the IMB (internet movie

database). the movie "the late liz" indeed was made in 1971

and starred ann baxter (extremely well acclaimed actress as

would be attested by our history lover elders).

i've never seen the movie and so my question is (and i'm

asking anyone), should this movie be added to our history

lover's database. it would seem so.
any input would be appreciated - direct them to me as to not

clog up the group mail (billyk3@yahoo.com).

thanks - be good to yourselves,

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++++Message 3211. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: "burning desire"

From: ricktompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/24/2006

Hi group,

Here's a 'burning desire' to reply to this post before its thread goes away.

"Do the right thing" is a movie, the title copyrighted by Spike

Lee's film


AA's Eleventh Step, "praying only for knowledge of His will and the

power to

carry it out" has had much input and interpretation over our years of

existence. Our early founders spoke of the search for the 'next, best,


course' of action, specifically relating to Step Eleven. I agree with our

Moderator, Glenn, that "old time" is a relative concept on this


many speak the same way as was spoken in the late 1930s. From recollections


Ruth Hock's daughter, that exact phrase "next, best, indicated"

was used

verbatim and regularly. The phrase evolved into the 'next, best, thing' that


first heard many years ago, too, but let's remember that it comes from Step

"It Works If You Work It!" is part of our ever-longer chants that

follow a

meeting closing...Phrases like "keep coming back" usually start

it, and 'keep

coming back, it works if you work it, sober!' are the current norm, with


waving and all...From my own experience, this "gospel shout" comes


treatment centers and nowhere else, and it took hold in AA in the early

1990s. I

don't believe it has caused any harm, but at face value it's pretty silly.


think, if this stuff was going on in the 1950s, the Hokey-Pokey dance would


fit just fine with the closing chant!
"Does anyone have a 'burning desire' to share" or "to add

more thoughts" is a

normal question a meeting chair can ask before closing an AA meeting. I


hear it a lot.
Rick, Illinois
A comment by the moderator:
What makes the idea of the whole AA group

dancing what would become known as the

"Higher Power Hokey-Pokey" in a circle

after the closing prayer, and finishing up

with a shouted "and that's what it's all

about!" is that I can halfway imagine it

actually happening!
Turn backward, O time, in thy flight!
Your friend, Glenn
++++Message 3212. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Ester''s preamble, Dallas, Texas

From: jeanne avolio . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/24/2006 7:31:00 PM

This was sent to me about 7 months ago, I dont know if it's the same one


talking about here,thought i'd share it with the group..I had it read at my

birthday meeting this past aug..Many were surprised to kno as I was that


was another one written years ago.maybe someone in the group can give a


on this.In His Grace >>Jeanne

AA Old Preamble - 1940
We are gathered here because we are faced with the fact that we are

powerless over alcohol and unable to do anything about it without the help

of a Power greater than ourselves.
We feel that each person's religious views, if any, are his own affair. The

simple purpose of the program of Alcoholics Anonymous is to show what may be

done to enlist the aid of a Power greater than ourselves regardless of what

our individual conception of that Power may be.

In order to form a habit of depending upon and referring all we do to that

Power, we must at first apply ourselves with some diligence. By often

repeating these acts, they become habitual and the help rendered becomes

natural to us.

We have all come to know that as alcoholics we are suffering from a serious

illness for which medicine has no cure.

Our condition may be the result of an allergy, which makes us different from

other people. It has never been by any treatment with which we are familiar,

permanently cured. The only relief we have to offer is absolute abstinence,

the second meaning of A.A.

There are no dues or fees. The only requirement for membership is a desire

to stop drinking. Each member squares his debt by helping others to recover.

An Alcoholics Anonymous is an alcoholic who through application and

adherence to the A.A. program has forsworn the use of any and all alcoholic

beverage in any form.
The moment he takes so much as one drop of beer, wine, spirits or any other

alcoholic beverage he automatically loses all status as a member of

Alcoholics Anonymous.
A.A. is not interested in sobering up drunks who are not sincere in their

desire to remain sober for all time. Not being reformers, we offer our

experience only to those who want it.
We have a way out on which we can absolutely agree and on which we can join

in harmonious action. Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly

followed our program. Those who do not recover are people who will not or

simply cannot give themselves to this simple program. Now you may like this

program or you may not, but the fact remains, it works. It is our only

chance to recover.

There is a vast amount of fun in the A.A. fellowship. Some people might be

shocked at our seeming worldliness and levity but just underneath there lies

a deadly earnestness and a full realization that we must put first things

first and with each of us the first thing is our alcoholic problem. To drink

is to die. Faith must work twenty-four hours a day in and through us or we

In order to set our tone for this meeting I ask that we bow our heads in a

few moments of silent prayer and meditation.
I wish to remind you that whatever is said at this meeting expresses our own

individual opinion as of today and as of up to this moment. We do not speak

for A.A. as a whole and you are free to agree or disagree as you see fit, in

fact, it is suggested that you pay no attention to anything which might not

be reconciled with what is in the A.A. Big Book.
If you don't have a Big Book, it's time you bought you one. Read it, study

it, live with it, loan it, scatter it, and then learn from it what it means

to be an A.A."


diazeztone wrote:

I am looking for a copy of Ester's (elizardi)

preamble, Dallas, Texas.
She wrote the story "Flower of the South."

She was founder of AA in Dallas, Texas.

Anybody have any idea how many different AA

talks there are by her which are still

LD Pierce

editor aabibliograpy.com


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++++Message 3213. . . . . . . . . . . . The God Angle

From: anmtcup . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/24/2006 3:38:00 PM

Looking for information on a book similar to the 24 hour a day book

format entitled THE GOD ANGLE by The God Angle Committee, 1972.

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