development of AA in Dallas and Fort Worth. One thing that can be
definitely stated about Esther is that she was a remarkable woman and
a natural historian. Her correspondence with Bobbie has revealed
information I've been searching for about 3 years now. There is no
doubt in my mind that Esther's correspondence provides the definitive
history for how AA originated in the Fort Worth/Dallas metroplex (as
well as a few other Texas locations).
In regard to the preamble, several variations are attributed to
different locations in the US. Barring the discovery of dated source
documents, the establishment of primacy is probably beyond possibility
at this point in time. The preamble contains material from the "Akron
Manual" (c 1940)as well as extracts from the 1st edition Big Book
Foreword and basic text.
The earliest genuine copy of the preamble I've been able to locate
locally is in a 1946 document in the archives of the Harbor Club in
Fort Worth, TX. The preamble originated some years prior to that but I
haven't been able yet to locate an earlier original or facsimile.
I'll send you some additional material to your web site email address
unless you want me to send it to a different address.
[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of diazeztone
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:57 PM
Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Ester's preamble, Dallas, Texas
I am looking for a copy of Ester's (elizardi)
preamble, Dallas, Texas.
She wrote the story "Flower of the South."
She was founder of AA in Dallas, Texas.
Anybody have any idea how many different AA
talks there are by her which are still
Yahoo! Groups Links
++++Message 3205. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Does anyone remember "The
From: johnpublico . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2006 1:39:00 AM
I've heard that Big Joe's show was underwritten by the Salvation Army
and was one of the first call-in shows on radio (you only heard his
voice). It promoted people helping one another and had a strong
spiritual angle. This is Rosenfeld's obituary as it appeared in The
New York Times:
Published: December 19, 1987
LEAD: Joe Rosenfield Jr., who was the host of a radio talk show
One thing I vaguely remember is that the so called "Texas
once in the Grapevine several years ago. I do not remember the month or
year, but, I remember reading it there. You might know something of it or
want to look into it.
++++Message 3207. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Dr. Howard/Hank P.
From: Mike and Sarah . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/20/2006 12:01:00 PM
Dear MK -
Just finally getting to read a great deal of saved AA History Lovers
Wow. Just a question.
Regarding an e-mail from you on January 26,06 regarding galleys, Cornwall,
Living Sober, etc.
My question, regarding the friend of Barry. Maybe also even just yourself? I
have been wondering about
the 'Bill's Birthday talk' that he gave at NY Intergroup every year.
the final talk
of Bill at the NY Intergroup event which was held on or close to his own
'69, '70? Do you, or did Barry and/or his friend know if a recording of this
event ever was made?
Was / is it an item held in the archives of GSO? I have asked them about
response as of yet.
OK. So, I guess that is as about as simple as I can put it across to you.