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Part IV BUT IF OUR CONCEPT of God is on the

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Part IV
BUT IF OUR CONCEPT of God is on the

nebulous side, we are offered more concrete

guidance on the subject of religion and spirituality.

It is not awesome, abstract and complex, even

though it seems so at first.
Let's examine what some of the fine minds of

history -- philosophers, psychologists, educators --

have to say about religion. Note that none of them,

with the exception of St. James, is a professional

"Religion is the worship of higher powers from a

sense of need." --Allan Menzies.

"Religion shall mean for us the feelings, acts and

experiences of individual men in their solitude, so

far as they apprehend themselves to stand in

relation to whatever they may consider the divine."

-- William James.
"Religion is the recognition of all our duties as

divine commands."--Immanual Kant.

"Religion is that part of human experience in

which man feels himself in relation with powers

of psychic nature, usually personal powers, and

makes use of them."--James Henry Leuba.

"Pure religion and undefiled before our God and

Father is this, to visit the fatherless and windows

in their affliction and to keep oneself unspotted

from the world."--The General Epistle of James,

One cannot but be impressed with the similarity

of these definitions to our own Twelve Steps.

The Menzies definition is nothing more than a

condensed version of the first three steps wherein

we admit we are beaten, come to believe a Power

greater than ourselves can restore us, and turn our

wills and lives over to that Power.
William James, stripped of verbiage, says that we

should believe in God AS WE UNDERSTAND HIM.

Immanuel Kant also tells us to turn our wills and lives

over to God, and then hints at Steps Five to Eleven,

wherein we are admonished to give our lives a

thorough housecleaning. For such confessions and

restitutions are without question divine commands.
James Henry Leuba hints at the Twelfth Step,

where we make use of our newly found powers.

And all we need to do in the St. James passage is

to substitute the word "Alcoholic" for "Father less

and Widows" and we have Step Twelve. As a

matter of fact, before we gave up alcohol we

were very definitely fatherless and widows.
The spiritual life is by no means a Christian monopoly.

There is not an ethical religion in the world today

that does not teach to a great extent the principles

of Love, Charity and Good Will.

The Jehovah of the Hebrews is a stern God who

will have vengeance if his laws are broken, yet the

great Hebrew prophets taught a message of social

justice. Incidentally, the modern Jewish family is one

of our finest examples of helping one another. When

a member of the family gets into trouble of any

kind, the relatives, from parents to cousins, rally

around with advice, admonition, and even financial

assistance. This, incidentally, may be one reason

there are not more Jewish members of AA. The

family, in many cases, can handle the alcoholic

Followers of Mohammed are taught to help the

poor, give shelter to the homeless and the traveler,

and conduct themselves with personal dignity.

Consider the eight-part program laid down in

Buddhism: Right view, right aim, right speech, right

action, right living, right effort, right mind- edness

and right contemplation. The Buddhist philosophy,

as exemplified by these eight points, could be

literally adopted by AA as a substitute for or

addition to the Twelve Steps. Generosity, universal

love and welfare of others rather than

considerations of self are basic to Buddhism.
The ultimate aim of all men is peace of spirit.

Without a spiritual life there can be no tranquility

and serenity.
St. Augustine says, "Peace is the tranquility of order."

We will find peace when our lives are rightly ordered.

++++Message 3152. . . . . . . . . . . . Young People''s Group- 4021

Clubhouse Phila, Pa.Celebrates 60 years

From: Shakey1aa@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/8/2006 9:56:00 AM
The 35 and Younger Group(Young Peoples Group) was started February 1946 by

Art L, and Bates Mc L. in Philadelphia, Pa. Being under 30 years of age they

thought that AA wasn't doing such a good job with the younger alcoholic.


started a weekly monday meeting for members of AA under 35 years of age. The

group had several female members. They felt they could deal with members who

were younger and had not yet hit as low a bottom as older members. They had

parties, picnic's and other social events as well as the AA meetings.

Several years ago,at a workshop that had several original group members,

I remember Pat C saying that she and several other members of the group

got in a car and went to Niagra Falls for the 1st Young Peoples


of those that attended the workshop had a love of life and of each other and

were all over 50 years of continuous sobriety.

The group will celebrate 60 years on Tuesday, February 14th at 7 P.M. at

4021 Walnut St. Philadelphia,Pennsylvania.

Does anyone know of any Young People's Groups before that date. I think

there may have been another group in the Los Angeles area.

Yours in Service,

Shakey Mike G.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
++++Message 3153. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Re: First woman was Jane S., not


From: Tom Hickcox . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/11/2006 5:51:00 PM
At 02:47 2/7/2006 , mertonmm3 wrote:
> >Hi Art,


>In GSO Archives the early members were given 1 page questioneers to

>fill out which included self reported sobriety date, occupation, ect.

>I specifically recall one that Florence presumably submitted. Post 64

>on this site (by this sites founder) places Florence's date of entry

>at March, 1937. This sound accurate but I'm missing my transcript of

>this. A specific inquiry to NY regarding this questioneer will verify

>the accuracy or inaccuracy as to the date if GSO responds. It would be

>easiest to obtain from the microfische.


>As you know Florence made contact with AA through her non-alcoholic

>husband who was a friend and buisness associate of Bill's.


>All the best,

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