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++++Message 3098. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Smitty and Smithy

From: Corey Franks . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 9:53:00 AM


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HI.. Both Sue and Smitty Docs children told me many times that that was how

they


were both addressed. Thats my additon here, THX. Corey F.
Tom Hickcox wrote: Didn't Bill call Dr. Bob

"Smithy" and

the son's nickname was "Smitty"?
Smitty/Smithy/Tommy in Baton Rouge
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++++Message 3099. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: The Dr. Howard/Hank P.

manuscript

From: Mitchell K. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 7:38:00 AM
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From what I have learned, this

> one manuscript was brought to Cornwall Press in the

> Nyack, New York area of the Hudson River valley in

> February 1939---


Just a quick geographical correction. The Cornwall

Press was located in Cornwall, NY located in Orange

County, NY. The first edition printings were done

there as were several of the 2nd edition printings.

The company merged with another and from what I

understand, further printings were done in New Jersey.


When the galleys were gone over, it was done by Bill

W., Hank P., Ruth Hock and Dorothy Snyder who came up

to Cornwall to go over them.
As far as Barry's family giving anything to AAWS, due

to a history of problems, litigation and pending

litigation over royalties for Living Sober They had no

desire to give AAWS anything. There was a great deal

of animosity generated. I remember going over all the

drafts for Living Sober which were housed in a

friend's apartment in Connecticut. This friend had

many of Barry's materials as well as another friend's

materials which were left to him (Ron was involved

with many of the private recordings of Bill W. and

Bill speaking at his anniversaries in NYC - I think

close to 200 of them and left them to Dennis when he

passed on). I have no idea where these materials might

be today (I do have some guesses). Dennis was a

collector of AA memorabilia and had a small but

amazing collection. There were some great "spook", LSD

and vitamin B tapes but as I was only allowed to

listen to portions of them, not make copies or take

notes, unless they surface again, the material

contained in them might be lost.


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++++Message 3100. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Printer''s Copy and Dr. Howard

From: jlobdell54 . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 8:19:00 AM


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Given that AA cannot accept gifts from non-members and only gifts of

either $1000 or $2000 (I'm not sure which) from members in any given

year, it's not clear to me how the Printer's Copy could have been

given to AA. Correct me if I am wrong. So far as I know, the Archives

are not separately incorporated and must therefore fall under the AAWS

restriction, I believe. On the name of the "Chief Psychiatrist of

NJ"

I suggest Marcus A. Curry, Chief at the NJ State Asylum for the Insane



at Greystone Park during the years 1936-40 (from the Greystone Park

Annual Reports 1936-40 in the NJ State Archives). -- Jared Lobdell


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++++Message 3101. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Announcing outside events during

AA meetings

From: Jim Blair . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 11:38:00 AM
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Gotogo asked
Can alcoholics announce there will be a sober dance following the AA

meeting, when we want to have a dance in the same hall?


You can do or say whatever you want but just be prepared to deal with the

consequences.


AA Police #242
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++++Message 3102. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Announcing outside events during

AA meetings

From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 1:17:00 PM
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I'm not sure what your question has to do with AA history, but if you

are trying to find out if AA members can have diametrically opposed

viewpoints and all think they are right, it's a guaranteed certainty.
Alcoholics can announce whatever they want according to their group

conscience. Groups are autonomous - but autonomy should not be used as

a loophole to get around what the group members consider appropriate

in their understanding and practice of the Traditions.


Similarly, Alcoholics can decline to announce whatever they want

according to their group conscience. Minorities demonstrate unity when

they cooperate with the group conscience decisions of the majority.
Things can get a bit dicey, and divisive, when the Traditions are

viewed legalistically as opposed to being looked at as spiritual

principles oriented to maintaining group unity.
Many AA members like to keep announcements limited to activities

directly related to AA (e.g. a meetings, service committees,

conferences and conventions, etc.).
Just because something is attended by AA members it does not means

that it is an AA event. There is no such thing as an AA retreat, an AA

golf tournament, or an AA dance although AA members as certainly free

to join in such activities.


Of course, all the above is only one member's viewpoint.
Cheers

Arthur
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From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of

Gotogo2002L@aol.com

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:54 PM

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Announcing outside events during AA

meetings
Hi All
Can alcoholics announce there will be a sober dance following the AA

meeting, when we want to have a dance in the same hall?


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++++Message 3103. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Smitty and Smithy

From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 12:55:00 PM


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Yes Bill W did use the nicknames "Smithy" and "Smitty"

to distinguish

between father and son. Young Bob was still called "Smitty" up to

the


time he passed away.
Incidentally, Dr Bob was supposed to have quite a sense of humor for

nicknames that he would come up with for others. Among the nicknames

he had for Sister Ignatia were "Little Angel AA" and

"Ig." He also

liked to use jargon which would likely get him in politically

incorrect hot water today (i.e. he would refer to women as a

"frail").
Cheers

Arthur
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To add to Arthur's list, J. D. H., the founder of the first AA group in

Indiana,


says (in his memoirs which he wrote many years later) that when he got sober

in

Akron and was over at Dr. Bob and Anne's house every day, Dr. Bob always



called

him "Abercrombie."


Glenn C.
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++++Message 3104. . . . . . . . . . . . RE:Announcing outside events during

AA meetings

From: Mark Everett . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 3:44:00 PM
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Hi Friends,

While I think this issue has a questionable place on a forum on AA

History, it has everything to do with our traditions. Tradition 6, short

form states, "An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the

A.A.

name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money,



property, and prestige divert us from our primary purpose."

Now, if there is a charge for admission, an AA Dance or anything

else becomes an Outside Enterprise. If it is offered as free, then it could

be argued that it is not much more than an extension of the meeting, though

some may hold that it is still a violation of some other traditions. I have

also seen occasions where certain outside enterprises have offered

"free" AA

activities with an underlying purpose of promoting their recovery store,

club, hospital or other services. That's called advertising, and we avoid

any appearance of promoting that, too.

I was taught to make any Related but still Non AA Announcements just

prior to the opening of a meeting, therefore these types of announcements

are not made at an AA meeting, and not appearing to be endorsed by AA
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Mark Everett

517 Cherry Hill Lane

Lebanon, Ohio 45036-7608

Phone: (513) 228-0078

Cell: (513) 850-4911

eFax: (267) 851-2083

e-mail: mark@go-concepts.com

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++++Message 3105. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: 4 or 6 years sober on page 192

in 1st printing?

From: Mark Everett . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 4:04:00 PM
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Hi all,

Boy, I love these types of things. I went looking through my

assorted collection of Big Books and found the following from Dr. Bob's

Nightmare.


First Edition, 9th and 12th printings - 6 years

Second Edition, 1st printing - 6 years

Third Edition, 1st, 5th and 7th printing - 6 years
and
Third Edition, 51st printing - 4 years

Third Edition (soft cover 8th printing - Sept 1988) referencing the 32nd

printing (also 1988) - 4 years

Fourth Edition, 1st and 8th printing - 4 years

Knockoff copy of "Original Manuscript" with notes from Clarence

Snyder - 4

years
So, it appears to me that some editor, after the 7th printing of the 3rd

edition in 1980 and prior to September 1988, decided to do the math, and

returned Dr. Bob's story to a logical number of years. This is sort of like

the same mystery with "these" and "those" in the 12th

step.
Enjoy

Mark
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Mark Everett

517 Cherry Hill Lane

Lebanon, Ohio 45036-7608

Phone: (513) 228-0078

Cell: (513) 850-4911

eFax: (267) 851-2083

e-mail: mark@go-concepts.com

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++++Message 3106. . . . . . . . . . . . AAhistory

From: Emmanuel John . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 5:11:00 PM


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Your question is one that I have dealt with a lot in my 21 years.
First of all we have our 1st tradition which states that our common welfare

should come before all else. Is this good for AA? It goes on to say that the

Unity of our members is the primary goal as disunity would tear us apart.

The


nay-sayers are probably more of a force for disunity then the event could

ever


be.
So does the event aid in unity? I personally believe that the founders would

have been very supportive of these types of events and announcements. In law

there is often the phrase, "the spirit of the law," why it was

written. I don't

think that the tradition aims at limiting these types of activities
If our ultimate authority is a "loving God and how he will express

himself" then

we could ask what He might consider on this issue, the dance is a good thing

despite people who are just down right negative. We're not supposed to have

an

opinion on outside issues so what one group does is not the other groups



business unless if effects AA as a whole. This should then be discussed with

their local Intergroup office. Your dance could be considered by some as the

way "A loving God" is expressing Itself in your group.
Does it effect AA as a whole? Only for the better but we must be careful

where


proceeds if any end up. AA bull roasts/dances are common fundraisers Just

like our conventions, gratitude breakfasts' which are also announced in

meetings. A group does however have the right to choose to not announce

these


types of events by way of a vote.
Is it carrying the AA message? Most important of all, can people without

money


attend without feeling singled out, or made to feel ashamed because they

don't


have money (not so with many of our fundraisers). Admission should be set up

in

such a way that it is seen as a donation and not an admission/ticket charge.



The have nots should be encouraged to attend.
Is it an outside enterprise? Well if it's in the same building and using the

group name then its not an outside event, if an autonomous group decided to

put

the dance on then it is an extending activity of the group or a special



"lengthened" meeting
A major issue is that the monies collected in the basket during the meeting

should only go to purposes for which the money was given. A dance is

probably

not an understood allocation for those having contributed. Now if your

meeting

has the dance every month and everyone knows that this will be a use for the



money then that might be acceptable. I personally belong to a group that

puts


on more events then most groups in the area and somehow we give more money

to

Intergroup, with many other contributor meeting, meeting several times a



week,

giving less.


Finally. I think that we have to consider if this makes the AA way of life

more


attractive to the new comer who might think that we are a glum lot. People

who


don't like these announcements are usually just not very fun to begin with.
Enjoy the dance!
Emmanuel

Baltimore


Message: 4

Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 22:54:03 EST

From: Gotogo2002L@aol.com

Subject: Announcing outside events during AA meetings


Hi All

Can alcoholics announce there will be a sober dance following the AA

meeting, when we want to have a dance in the same hall?
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Peace and Happy Days

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++++Message 3107. . . . . . . . . . . . Moderator out of town Fri-Mon Jan

27-30


From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 8:55:00 PM
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I will be out of town from Friday January 27 to Monday January 30, 2006.
Please hold your messages until then.
Thanks much!
Glenn Chesnut

South Bend, Indiana


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++++Message 3108. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: 100 Hundred Men and Women?

From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 2:55:00 PM


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Bill W did like to be "generous" in his numerical estimates.
However, the "100 men" part likely derived from a prospectus Hank

P

put together to offer shares of stock to underwrite the production of



the book. The shares were offered at $25 which would be around $325

using the 2003 Consumer Price Index (CPI).


The graphic image file I have of the prospectus shows a date of June

1939 on its cover which has the title "Alcoholics Anonymous." The

date

is likely in error since the prospectus contents announce that the



Alcoholic Foundation had recently been formed and that ten chapters of

the book had been completed. Hank's story is "The Unbeliever."


What eventually came to be called "Works Publishing Co" was

originally

proposed to be named "The One Hundred Men Corporation" in the

prospectus. The proposed title for what became "Alcoholics

Anonymous"

(the Big Book) was "One Hundred Men."


The "and women" part turned out to be Florence R of NY (as Merton

noted) whose story is "A Feminine Victory" (Marty M didn't arrive

until after the manuscript had been distributed). Florence R, was the

first woman in AA and was sober around a year when she wrote her

story. She later moved to Washington DC to join up with Fitz M (whose

story is "Our Southern Friend") to help start AA there. Sadly,

Florence returned to drinking (Fitz M was called to the morgue to

identify her).


A non-alcoholic wife of an AA member also had her personal story

printed in the first edition. She was Marie B whose story is "An

Alcoholic's Wife." Her husband was Walter B whose story was "The

Backslider." Walter was also the first patient admitted to St Thomas

Hospital in Akron when Dr Bob and Sister Ignatia began their

collaboration.


When Bill W visited Dr Bob in November 1937, they "compared

notes." 40

cases were sober (more than 20 for over a year). All were once

diagnosed as hopeless. In a meeting at T Henry Williams' home, Bill's

ideas, for a book, hospitals and how to expand the movement with paid

missionaries, narrowly passed by 2 votes among 18 members. The NY

group was more enthusiastic. This is what led to the start of the

writing of the Big Book.


Between November 1937, when there were "40 cases sober" up to the

early months of 1939 (the Big Book was printed in April 1939) it is

not inconceivable that membership jumped to 100 or thereabouts. Plus,

like Jim B noted "it's a nice round number." And would at most

constitute a "fib" as opposed to a "lie."
I don't believe it was ever intended for every member in 1938/1939 to

have their personal stories printed in the first edition. Stories from

Akron and vicinity dominated since they were the first group and

largest in membership. The manuscript story of an Akron member, "Ace

Full - Seven - Eleven," was dropped (reputedly, because he was not too

pleased with changes made to the first drafts of the Steps and basic

text).
Only 29 (not 40) personal stories were included in the first printing

of the first edition Big Book (10 from the east coast, 18 from the

mid-west and 1 from the west coast - which was ghost written by Ruth

Hock and later removed from the book in its second printing).


Cheers

Arthur
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Message 3073 from James Flynn (jdf10487 at

yahoo.com) said:


"I would like to know why the preface to the first edition to the BB

makes a statement about 100 men and women, when there are only

approximately 40 stories in the BB and by some accounts that I have

read a maximum of 70 members in AA at the time the book was

published."

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++++Message 3109. . . . . . . . . . . . Trust God, Clean House, Help Others

From: Cloydg . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 11:49:00 PM


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Group,

One of my sponsee's asked me a question. I tried to find the answer as I

had thought it came from steps 6 and 7. Unfortunately, when I looked it up

on

our reference pages. I still could not find the answer to this nagging



question. Maybe you can answer it for me?
Where did, "Trust God, Clean House, Help Others", come from? Is it

in any


AA literature
In love and service, Clyde G.
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++++Message 3110. . . . . . . . . . . . First woman was Jane S., not

Florence


From: Diz Titcher . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/26/2006 3:57:00 AM
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The first woman was Jane S. in Akron and she beat Florence by one month.
Diz T.
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From: "mertonmm3" (mertonmm3 at

yahoo.com)


Women in the plural because, I believe in the NY/NJ/CT area (which

functioned as one during most of the time) they began with one woman

(Florence R. of Westfield N.J.), and around the time of the release of the

book


Marty M., then a patient of Blythewood Sanitarium, became number 2.

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++++Message 3111. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Re: Printer''s Copy and Dr.

Howard


From: ArtSheehan . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/27/2006 1:01:00 AM
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The 1999 General Service Conference passed the following Advisory

Action:
The annual limit contributed to the General Service Office from

individual A.A. members be increased from $1,000 to $2,000 and that

bequests from A.A. members should be subject to the same limit and be

on a one-time-only basis and not in perpetuity.
This seems to be focused on money donations.
The AA Archives are called the "General Service Office Archives"

and


are one of the departments of the GSO (re the Service Manual pgs

S72-S73).


AA paid a hefty sum to purchase Dr Bob's Big Book from his son.

Archives fall into an area where, as collectors items, their monetary

value could be enormous. But there is also the historical value of the

items integral to the founding of AA which might very well take

precedence.
I suspect that if the manuscript were donated to AA the decision would

likely be up to the Conference on what to do and how to do it. I know

of deceased members who have bequeathed papers, books and other

assorted artifacts and memorabilia to the AA Archives. The collectors

value of the items would exceed $2,000 by orders of magnitude. So I

don't know if there is any notion of a cap on the monetary value.


Oh how I would love to find out, for certain, who "Dr Howard" was.
Cheers

Arthur
-----Original Message-----

From: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jlobdell54

Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:19 AM

To: AAHistoryLovers@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [AAHistoryLovers] Re: Printer's Copy and Dr. Howard
Given that AA cannot accept gifts from non-members and only gifts of

either $1000 or $2000 (I'm not sure which) from members in any given

year, it's not clear to me how the Printer's Copy could have been

given to AA. Correct me if I am wrong. So far as I know, the Archives


are not separately incorporated and must therefore fall under the AAWS
restriction, I believe. On the name of the "Chief Psychiatrist of

NJ"
I suggest Marcus A. Curry, Chief at the NJ State Asylum for the Insane


at Greystone Park during the years 1936-40 (from the Greystone Park

Annual Reports 1936-40 in the NJ State Archives). -- Jared Lobdell


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++++Message 3112. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: First woman was Jane S., not

Florence


From: Sally Brown . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/27/2006 12:36:00 AM
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How interesting to learn of another early AA woman!
Still another was Mary Campbell, from somewhere in the South, I believe.

Dave and I don't know her sobriety date or when she arrived in AA, but it

was before April 1939 when Marty Mann went from Blythewood to her first AA

meeting, held at the Wilsons' home in Brooklyn. Mary actually visited Marty

at Blythewood. She relapsed in 1944, then returned to AA and stayed sober

until she died in the 1990s.


Maybe there are other early regional examples.
Shalom - Sally
Rev Sally Brown coauthor: A Biography of

Mrs. Marty Mann

Board Certified Clinical Chaplain The First Lady of Alcoholics

Anonymous

United Church of Christ
www.sallyanddavidbrown.com

1470 Sand Hill Road, 309

Palo Alto, CA 94304

Phone/Fax: 650 325 5258

Email: rev.sally@att.net
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++++Message 3113. . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Bob prescription pad forgery

From: Glenn Chesnut . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/31/2006 2:47:00 PM


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The phrase "1. Trust God, 2. Clean House, 3. Help Others" is typed

on a


prescription pad with Dr. Bob's name at the top. His signature is at the

bottom, and the phrase "always remember it" is in handwriting at

the top.
The problem is that a good AA historian once showed me that both the

handwritten phrase at the top, and the signature at the bottom, seem to have

been scanned and copied from a genuine letter by Dr. Bob, and then

superimposed

on the picture of the prescription pad using a computer art program. It

seemed


pretty convincing to me.
But I cannot remember where the genuine letter is found. Does anybody in the

group know anything more about this issue over the authenticity of the

prescription?

______________________________


From: "Cheryl F"

(learning3legacies at cox.net)

Date: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:43pm

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Trust God, Clean House, Help Others


The saying came from Dr. Bob. It was written on one of Dr.Bob's prescription

pads. I've seen a copy of it in the archives.


Cheryl F

Leander Tx

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From: Azor521@aol.com (Azor521 at aol.com)

Date: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:01pm

Subject: Re: [AAHistoryLovers] Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
Ya might check this out....
http://www.nicd.us/AAand12-stepresources.html
Dr. Bob wrote this prescription- 1. Trust God. 2. Clean House. 3. Help

Others


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++++Message 3114. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Trust God, Clean House, Help

Others


From: John S. . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/28/2006 9:00:00 PM
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From: "John S." (quasso at

mindspring.com)

Trust God, Clean House, Help Others
"The only condition is that he trust in God and clean house." Pg

98 BB
The only other reference I've heard is Franklin W. from Olive Branch MS who

claimed authorship of the phrase "Trust God, Clean House and help

others." Of

course the principle of helping others is all throughout our literature.
In love and service

John


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FROM THE MODERATOR:
The sentence on page 98 in the Big Book gives us two thirds of the phrase

("trust in God and clean house"), but the full phrase "Trust

God, Clean House,

Help Others" does not show up in the Big Book in those precise words.


Members have written in showing that these words could be used as short

summaries of numerous things which are said in the Big Book.


But showing all the parallels in the Big Book to the basic teaching of this

little slogan does not, in and of itself, tell us who added "help

others" to the

phrase on page 98 in the Big Book, and began popularizing it as an AA

slogan.
Glenn C., South Bend, Indiana

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From: Toto24522@aol.com (Toto24522 at aol.com)
Big Book page 164 A Vision for You
" ....... you must remember that your real reliance is always upon Him.

(Trust


God)

Ask Him in your morning meditation what you can do each day for the man who

is

still sick. ( Help others)



The answers will come, if your own house is in order. ( Clean House)

See to it that your relationship with Him is right, and great events will

come

to pass for you and countless others."


"Abandon yourself to God as you understand God. (Trust God)

Admit your faults to Him and to your fellows.

Clear away the wreckage of your past. (Clean House)

Give freely of what you find and join us. ( Help Others)


"We shall be with you in the Fellowship

of the Spirit, and you will surely meet some of

us as you trudge the Road of Happy Destiny.
May God bless you and keep you -- until then."
In simple form, the steps are:
1-3: Trust God

4-11: Clean House

12: Help Others

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From: "ArtSheehan" (ArtSheehan at

msn.com)
Source of "clean house, trust God, help others":


For the basic ideas, see Big Book pages 14-15, 89, 90, 94, 97, 98, 132.
Also Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions pages 56, 60, 63.
My own viewpoint:
Clean house:
Step 1 (of booze or forget about all the other Steps), then Steps 4

thru 10 (to clear away the obstacles we put in God's way and then

continue the housecleaning regularly with Step 10)
Trust in God:
Steps 2, 3, 6, 7, 11 (culminating in the regular practice of praying

only for knowledge of God's will and power to carry it out)


Help others:
Steps 8, 9 and 12 (in the spirit of the "golden rule" or

"greatest

commandment" as my church calls it).
There are a number of places around the country that describe Steps

10, 11 and 12 as "maintenance Steps." Clean house, trust in God

and

help others certainly is a nice concise description of these Steps



(sort of like Dr Bob reducing them all down to "love and

service").


As for where the saying "clean house, trust in God and help

others"


originated, my guess will be that several hundred locations will claim

it originated in their local area, and they will all be correct (rule

# 62).
Cheers

Arthur
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++++Message 3115. . . . . . . . . . . . AA in India: arranging counselling

for known offenders

From: robin_foote . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/29/2006 8:17:00 PM
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Helping them kick the bottle
Staff Reporter
Alcoholics Anonymous arranges counselling for known offenders
CHENNAI - India: Alcoholics Anonymous, the liquor de-addiction support

group, will tie up with the city police to help repeat offenders kick the

bottle.
At a meeting held at the Zion Church in Chindatripet on Friday, Alcoholics

Anonymous invited a group of more than 100 known offenders and their

families and counselled on how life without liquor could change them. The

invitees even had a role model they aspire to become: a person who had a

history of criminal life but had reformed over the past two years.
The coordinator for the programme said the idea was for those present to

have someone to relate to. "He is someone they can relate to. He was a

repeated offender for over 10 years. He eventually gave up liquor and

reformed himself." The organisers said Police Commissioner R. Nataraj,

who

was the chief guest, was so impressed with the idea that he even offered the



auditoria in three new police stations for conducting future meetings.
Representatives of Alcoholics Anonymous said de-addiction programmes and

support groups closely worked with police and prison authorities in the

United States for the past six decades. They hoped that similar programmes

would be possible in the future.


Tamil Nadu


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