Cowichan Lake Research Station, Mesachie Lake Hosted by Malaspina University College IN ATTENDANCE
Michel Vallee MUC (Chair) Candace Parsons UBC
Kelly Hatfull BCIT (Minutes) Peter Barss BCIT
Peter Schroder Selkirk Ken Taylor NVIT
Richard Chester BCIT Ed Morrice CNC
Greg Lay NLC Barry Ostrand MUC
Al Johnson NLC Jim Wilkinson MUC
Tom Hedekar MUC Linda Kaivanto M of Ed.
Sandra Lott MOF Ralph Archibald FP Branch
Staffan Lindgren UNBC
Welcome – Michel Vallee, Chair
Meeting opened by Michel Vallee. Introductions by all members present.
Housekeeping issues, including, invoicing for the Mesachie Lake Research Centre (room and board) has been directly to Malaspina. All schools to refund MUC at $155 / person.
Changes & Approval of 2006 Agenda – Chair Michel Vallee The final 3 items for today’s agenda will be delayed till June 14th after the school reports (i.e. the election of a new Chair, and next year’s meeting selection.)
To approve 2006 meeting agenda
Moved by Greg Lay, Seconded by Ken Taylor.
Approval of 2005 meeting minutes – Chair Michel Vallee Amendments:
Page 1: Change Rick Chester’s school of employment to BCIT (not Selkirk)
Bottom of 2nd to Last Page: Ed Morrice letter was sent to Dwight Yochim (ABCFP) and Roxanne Comeau (CIF).
3rd to last paragraph on page 6: Rick Chester’s comment of ‘small approach’ refers to a specific focus rather than a general view.
Recommend page numbers on 2006 minutes.
To approve the 2005 meeting minutes with corrections
Action Item # Tom Hedekar sent letters to the Technical schools, limited response and varied depth; therefore lost momentum. Tom is still interested in submitting article in the ABCFP magazine ‘BC Forest Professional.’
Candice suggested more of a story format rather than statistics.
Ed suggested having an undergrad student (in History or Journalism) organize and develop as a student project.
FOLLOW-UP ACTION #1: Tom to e-mail the request for a specific format and information by June 23/06. Focus the article to Forestry Week in Sept 2007.
No further action required to promote applications, due to overwhelming influx of Technicians registering to become Registered Forest Technologists.
No further action required; completed.
Ongoing review on promoting forestry careers.
FOLLOW-UP ACTION #2: Need to assess what resources are available already. Format to choose such as print, CD, DVD, etc. Tie into Provincial Recruitment Strategy focus and curriculum development. There is approximately $4000 funding made available at the ABCFP Convention meeting in Nanaimo.
N/A – No copy finalized in Action Item #4.
Contact list to be updated
FOLLOW-UP ACTION #3: Rick Chester to use the ‘blog’ format. Rep from each school to send faculty list and courses taught to the new Chair for distribution. Excel format may still be used depending on each school’s ability to ‘blog.’
Drop action, as we have new direction in Action #6.
Forest Safety Council (FSC): Discussion concerning Forest Training (EG falling). Training Outcomes need to focus on all supervisors, not just Silviculture Supervisors. There is a desire to have ‘Certified’ status, but format is not completed, and deliver to Technical school level. North Island College has a ‘Request for Proposal.’ The required 500m3 / student faller is not feasible.
FOLLOW-UP ACTION #4: Letter to be drafted by Peter Barss and Greg Lay to focus on faller safety training for all Supervisors in forestry. FSC will be contacted by Chair to request a post-secondary representative to have a seat on the FSC Board (Motion later in meeting minutes).
Completed. Letter sent to CIF and ABCFP.
BCCAT Report – David Drakeford Cross Canada participation from 32 institutions; working well in BC, but not in Ontario.
Check the website www.bctransferquide.ca (May 2006 copy attached).
There are 90 articulation committees.
(See David’s attached notes).
No significant articulation issues; however key items discussed were:
Core competency matrix,
Handbook for Articulation meetings (copy to be given to new Chair), and
Keep it relevant and up to date.
Dave is the Administrator (Systems Liaison).
National Forestry Recruitment Initiative – Candace Parsons BC was represented by 4 attendees, including Candace. The highlights are as follows:
White paper (latest version attached) distributed by the CIF (April 2006)
Web site links by CIF
CCFM seed money to kick start BC Group for a Business Plan.
National marketing campaign (independent by province and tied together)
Key Item: Pursue a Forest Sector Council using the seed funding (federal-$5000 and provincial-$2500) to develop the Business Plan for pursuit of the larger funding. ABCFP (Jerome Marburg) and CIF (Roxanne Comeau) developing Business Plan.
A paid consultant (Al Gorley) is already working on the collecting and presenting of information relevant to the business plan creation.
There will be a conference call on June 21/06 with the National Council (Brad Henry, CFS / FN, and the National Aboriginal Forestry Association (NAFA).
Need seed money from industry as well (P. Barrs), as they are the benefactors of trained personnel available in the future. For example, Ainsworth Lumber wrote a cheque to keep the forestry program at Grand Prairie College afloat due to a shortage for Alberta Forest Technologists.
The Ministry of Forests & Range position on recruitment – Ralph Archibald The MOF is aware, but not enough attention to address 3-year work force shortfall.
Need a different model to deal with present and future trained worker shortage for such positions as truck drivers, mill workers, and reforestation workers.
Stress leave is increasing in the FP Branch and other MOF divisions as positions are vacant through attrition and the remaining work is pushed upon the remaining workers.
For example, by 2010, 26% of the present MOF work force will be eligible for retirement. The Forest Practices Branch will face a 65% retirement eligibility factor in 2010.
The MOF will celebrate their 100th anniversary in 2012, and will face the following
Water / environmental protection
Fish, Wildlife & Recreation
Industry (business management)
Marketing of forest products
FPAC (Forest Products Association of Canada) Issues:
Global leader in technology and innovation,
Social / environmental performance
Revitalization Plan (Road to the future): The MOF wants to be an ‘employer of choice’ by reflecting on:
Workplace wellness (safe & life-balanced)
Workforce Planning (skill set teams)
Recruiting & maintenance of staff
Business Mapping and Program Management: important tools for post-secondary schools to teach.
FSC meetings to focus on reducing accidents and increase the planning stage of safety.
Definition and application (unknown in post-secondary)
Understanding decision-making tools / process
FN relationships are increasing, yet still not known well on how to create a win-win situation with integration into forestry programs and industry.
Reduced decision making by the MOF, and more on monitoring and enforcement.
Job Eligibility: Need to recruit recent forestry graduates rather than the present Licensed Science Officer (LSO) level.
Committee Discussion items discussed with Ralph Archibald
Third party deliverables are a key part of the MOF business, however contractor and consultant’s difficulty to find trained and experienced workers not being recognized directly by MOF.
Need to launch a ‘Junior Ranger’ Program employing 150 students around BC using the Environment conservation model (BC Conservation Foundation Model); i.e. one for all resource sectors to work from.
The BC MOF application takes 3 hours to fill out, as compared to the related Alberta government form taking a minor fraction of the time. Need to streamline.
Connecting with the different organizations regionally and provincially.
Community Forests Association (EG Burns Lake support for the Junior Forest Wardens
Provincial Forestry Recruitment Initiative
Provincial Strategy – Peter Barss
Presently receiving drafts.
Al Gorley hired to run and document meeting.
Draft discussion paper released in March 2006 (date, actions, and structure).
Poor response from industry on questionnaire, possibly due to format of questions and direct request for specific resource support. No update (Candace has notes).
Group discussion points:
Seed people (i.e. leg work, not just money).
Improve discussion paper.
Issue of qualified worker shortages, and difficulty to track with many small contractors / consultants.
Holes in data (i.e. grads produced Vs grads required)
National Forest Minister’s paper (needs).
Different school strategies (what works and doesn’t?).
Al Gorley needs to talk to schools.
CIF website (data from National meeting).
Job security issues and permancy issue (i.e. smaller companies may only hire contract by contract): therefore good people leaving the industry.
Industry not supporting upgrading anymore (i.e. want pre-certified and qualified, and experienced).
Trades are taking people away from forestry, due to immediate pay back; i.e. ‘apprentice and get paid.’ while working (Possible solution: summer job credit to mimic apprenticeship advantages).
WCB regulations need to change to allow people <19 years old to fight fire.
Emphasize with a strong message on conservation, leadership and sustainability to encourage more candidates with a broader interest.
List the number of jobs not filled at each school:
Provincial Strategy – Peter Barss (cont’d)
& Education Working Group – Linda Kaivanto
Template for summarizing each school capacities and actual student numbers job postings template (See attached spread sheet for final details from P. Barss or L. Kaivanto).
Need one web site on a provincial level to link all career opportunities, schools, and related links
BCCAT is a well-organized web site however the search engine won’t respond to the key words that will connect to the site.
If a web surfer can’t find the website in 3 steps, the majority of people will cease trying. For example, type into a search engine ‘BC Forest Education’ and you only get UBC and UNBC. ABCFP website is set up for a specific audience, and less for promotion of forestry. The website needs to address the following basic questions:
Are there jobs and what type would I qualify for?
Will I be certified that the industry wants? (University Vs Technology?)
What is the breakdown for full-time, part-time, temporary, and permanent?
Who would I work for?
How much do I get paid?
Where do I work (locally, provincially, nationally, and internationally)?
What prerequisites do I need, and what is the associated mark?
How much is it to go to school / accommodation? What happens on campus?
What are the advantages to go into this career or go to this school?
Can I get a related job before I graduate or before coming to your school?
What kind of credits can I get for other post secondary courses or high school forestry programs?
FOLLOW-UP ACTION #5: Collectively give Al Gorley information from each school rep (Note: What time line is Al Gorley on?). Rick Chester to help other schools get familiar with the ‘Blog’ concept of inserting more information and updating more easily.
Provincial Task Force:
TLA, Forest Contractors Assoc, and Western Silviculture Assoc are some of the members on the task force.
Need industry reps to participate, and understand the employment shortage situation immediately.
Need the MOF to be the ‘seed’ agency for a budget request (multi-year development) Present budget to develop the Business Plan is a one-shot deal
To create a forest education web portal using a simple 1-page connection with general industry / career information and strong links to BC forestry schools.
Moved by Ed Morrice, Seconded by Peter Schroder.
FOLLOW-UP ACTION #6: Candace Parsons to initiate discussions in getting quote estimates for creating a portal web site
Ministry of Advanced Education (AVED) – Linda Kaivanto Minister and Deputy Minister
current Minster of is the Honourable Murray Coell
new Deputy Minister, Moura Quayle, was appointed last summer; she has an educational background (formerly Dean of the Faculty of Agricultural Sciences, UBC) ; and expresses a strong interest in assisting the institutions to deliver world-class education
Post Secondary Education – Assistant Deputy Minister (ADM)is Ruth Wittenberg
Students and Learning – Tom Vincent, ADM
Research, Technology and Innovation – new division to profile these areas as they are government priority; national search is underway for a new ADM
Program Responsibilities: now divided between the following 2 divisions:
Post Secondary Education – Colleges and University Colleges Branch: majority of programs including Forestry/Natural Resources (Regional Institutions Unit), and Universities and Institutes Branch: nursing programs and general academic programs in arts and sciences (excluding professional/applied degree programs)
Students and Learning – Learning Programs Branch: Aboriginal programs and initiatives and Developmental programs (ABE, ASE, ELT and Literacy)
New AVED Teams (3)
Northern Team –; to assist institutions to improve post secondary education in the north: CNC, NLC, NWCC and UNBC (Linda K is on this team)
Now government priority supported by new initiatives
Ministry of Advanced Education (AVED) – Linda Kaivanto (cont’d) Post Secondary Budget Review (Perrin Report #1)
Government announced limit on tuition fee increases in last year’s throne speech
As institutions prepared 2005/06 budgets without prior knowledge of this limit, government/AVED committed to provide appropriate compensation
For 2005/06, a $30 million base operating grant adjustment was approved for UBC, SFU, UVic, UNBC and BCIT
AVED has established three consortia – to work with sector stakeholders to study labour market needs and develop training strategies to address them
BC Aerospace Strategy and Consortium – focus on aircraft maintenance training; new funding for new and expanded facilities built at BCIT, UCFV, NLC and Okanagan College (Vernon); institutions cover the cost of program expansion with existing FTE funding (base operating grants)
BC Oil and Gas Education and Training Consortium – new $12 million facility for oil and gas training at the Fort St. John Campus of NLC; AVED provided $6 million, industry partners have committed contributions of up to $5.9 million in matching funds; and further donations from industry and other sources are under discussion.
BC Tourism and Hospitality Consortium – two new training centres established to focus on 2010 Olympics; Tourism at Capilano College and Hospitality at VCC
Expand BSF Programs
Government’s Plan for Forestry includes: “To expand forestry programs at UNBC and UBC to train more professional foresters and address other critical shortages in forestry”.
BSF program will be expanded to graduate more potential RPF’s; however there is not recognition to the shortfall of applicants, and hence still the same problem.
Sandra Lott, Ministry of Forests and Range (MoFR) wants industry to come to the table with the Deputy Minister to help address the shortfall issues and the solutions.
Issues: - Discussion
Mathematics (high school) issue: The Prince George school district only offers two maths (Principles and Essentials) and not Math Applications which is key to having more graduates in the forestry field. According to Dave D, there is a shortage of high school math instructors in BC (Canada?).
FTE’s may mean programs being cut; i.e. not reopening programs if closed
Reduced standards of academic prerequisites are not working due to increased failures in post secondary. It will take 2 years to turn around. According to Candace, UBC has raised their prerequisite marks in the last few years with no change to the number of BSF graduates.
Core Competency requirements for RFT entrants – Rick Chester (for Norm Shaw)
(See attached notes)
The Articulation Committee officially thanks the following people for their extraordinary efforts in overturning the CTAB decision of requiring Calculus in Forest Technology:
Jerome Marburg, ABCFP
Norman Shaw, ABCFP / BCIT
Geoff Sale, CTAB
Issue: CTAB has a shortfall in their auditing system to ensure consistency of evaluating forest technology programs (i.e. variable accreditation success with programs that are varied in the delivery, yet considered equivalent). Peter Yanciw’s creation of a BCIT program matrix has reduced the effort to locate and assess course learning outcomes, and has been shared with the other schools.
CTAB, according to Tom Hedekar was designed to certify Engineering programs, not Natural Resources programs; hence the difficulties to audit.
Funding is required to improve the accreditation process into a final product. (Note: funding will be for a new matrix, and won’t fund the maintenance of a transfer matrix).
Funding may be available if deadline date is flexible (Candace Parsons).
BCIT’s Jennifer Odom (sp?) may be available to help the process.
Proposal (Step 3 Motion): Discussion
CTAB funding is not possible (Geoff Sales)
No objections to Motion
FOLLOW-UP ACTION #7: Rick Chester to submit Step 3 Motion for cut & paste into minutes.
That a motion be passed at today’s articulation meeting “ The forestry articulation committee at this June 13, 2006 annual meeting direct Norm Shaw to apply to BCCAT for transfer innovation funding to develop the database structure and process to utilize the “core competency outcome model” as a transfer and articulation tool as well as facilitate the “roll-up” to a CTAB accreditation format”
Moved by Rick Chester, seconded by Ed Morrice
The following representative from each school will participate in the improvement on the accreditation process:
Barry Ostrand, MUC
Norman Shaw, BCIT
Paul Willms, NVIT
Ed Morrice, CNC
Al Johnson, NLC
The following representatives from each school will be kept informed of the accreditation process changes:
Peter Marshall, UBC
John Karakatsoulis, TRU
Laurie Friskie, UNBC
Alex Drummond, U of A (also the NAIT contact)
Note: Alberta / BC professional alliance (competencies).
CTAB accreditation and Curriculum Review – Barry Ostrand(see attached notes)
Malaspina University College (Course & time alterations review)
Note: Changes are a result of CTAB, Advisory Committee, and student / faculty feedback. Core outcomes have been reduced to give more flexibility.
Info Tech Course (MUC), Jim Wilkinson, instructor
1.5 week course to continue IT
Advisory Committee approved
Reduced from 7 to 4 hours / week
Summer Technical Report
1 hour / week
Increased time taken from Organizational behaviour and Team environment
Increased due to increasing use of technology.
Introduced early in Term 1 to cover check-ins, check-outs, crew and emergency procedures (Tom Hedekar).
Time increased by reducing Wood Products time.
Motion 06.01.06 to end meeting for June 13 /06, and continue tomorrow carried.
Day 2 (June 14, 2006) Articulation Meeting
Additional Business Student Capacity (Year 1) Matrix creation (Linda Kaivanto).
See attached matrix (L. Kaivanto / P. Barss)
WorkSafe BC: A post secondary representative is needed on their committee.
To have Peter Barss & Greg Lay write a letter to the Chair of FSC to reserve a seat for a post secondary representative to the FSC Council, and be a partner in the delivery of safety training (Note: Draft letter to reviewed by Articulation Committee school rep prior to sending to FSC Chair). CC final copy to WSA and WSBC.
Moved by Peter Barss, Seconded by Greg Lay
School Reports (Request to limit each school presentation to 10 minutes, as most schools have submitted detailed copies of their report to each committee member).
BCIT – Peter Barss (see attached details)
Aboriginal Special Projects Fund of $2 million has passed the deadline date (approx $75,000 / school). Note: Malaspina has applied for a bridging project.
Definition of Technician Vs Technologist needs to be consistent by schools and industry.
Need to highlight for the high school students and career counselors, examples of students who laddered from only qualifying for the BCIT Forest Technician
1 – Year program, laddering to the Diploma program, and is now graduating from UBC forestry (Nick Miller).
Forestry 11 & 12 courses: getting cancelled or redoing the content, and not being delivered enough. We need to support the programs, and bridge credits to post secondary programs.
CNC – Ed Morrice (no attached details)
Student numbers: 17 first year, 7 second year and 6 grads in 2005-06.
Full time second year students in Sept 06 = 11
Applicants – 28, Registered – 15 (plus late enrollments not listed).
Students desiring entrance Scholarships must register prior to June 15th.
Graduates are having increased job choice and quality of positions.
MOF funding of $10,000 for 4 students to go to China (Request for more funding, though).
UNBC and U of A usually compete for CNC grads; however there has been a reduction in the number of transfers due to the hot job market.
4.5 staff in total.
MOF does not differentiate between Technician and Technologists.
Career Technical Centres offer trade and forestry programs.
School Reports (continued)
MUC – Tom Hedekar (see attached details)
MUC university transfer is direct into 3rd year at UBC forestry.
Job situation solid for students.
New 5-storey building on campus starting to be built in 2007.
Forestry students hired to work on the MUC woodlot are paid $16/hour for Silviculture projects.
NLC – Greg Lay (no attached details)
22 first year enquiries, 5 accepted, 3 fully funded.
Need to expand marketing of courses to public. Consultants are hiring potential forestry students out of grade 12, and not being encouraged to go to school due to worker shortage.
Changing to spring camps rather than fall camps for students.
Student stats – 12 (3rd intake).
Modular format of courses allows flexibility for diverse student base.
CTAB audit is set for Feb / March 2008. Changes to help CTAB process will be reviewed by the NLC Advisory Committee.
NATE is considering recognizing NLC courses. NLC is in discussion with the ABCFP (BC), Alberta (ACPF); Saskatchewan and Manitoba are on line as well.
NLC bid on a Wood lot, but were outbid by someone else for $15,000.
Student accommodation problems in Chetwynd due to oil & gas boom. MOF fire camps may be available to share with NLC.
NVIT – Ken Taylor (see attached notes)
Paul Willms presently on road to increase applicants for Sept 2006.
CTAB audit – Fall 2006.
Curriculum change to follow after CTAB audit.
Presently no residence for students; Admin looking into funding to develop.
Possible to develop FN programs on Vancouver Island. Presently (?), 1st year programs set up in Kootenays, Kitwanga, and Prince Rupert. Students attend Merritt campus for 2nd year. (Note: MUC and BCIT found in their FN surveys or programs that the FN prefers delivery in their communities).
Minimum of 15 FN students at start of program has historically turned out a range of 4 – 10 graduates.
School Reports (continued)
Selkirk College – Peter Schroder (see attached notes)
In the interest of time, no significant items to discuss outside the attached notes.
TRU – No representative present (see attached notes from John Karakatsoulis).
UBC – Candace Parsons (see attached notes)
Many quality jobs available to students this year.
High staff turnover
Steve Baumber and Neil Davis (Admissions Advisors) have left and been replaced with Samantha Berdej and Lesley Fettes.
Gordon Prest and Pamela ? have moved on and been replaced.
Sandy McKellar is leaving to be the TLA’s Director of Communications.
The FN ‘Cedar Camp’ will take place in early August.
A high school forestry camp will be held at the Malcolm Knapp Research Forest in Maple Ridge from Aug 21 – 25/06. BCIT will participate with the Fire simulator lab demonstration (Kelly Hatfull and Steve Finn).
New promotional pamphlet (see attached) was developed by a graphic designer with Candace and is an example that we do need to source professionals in design and communications to put out professional-looking information pamphlets. Cost was $1300 for layout and printing just under $1.00 per pamphlet.
Faculty review will commence with an external / internal audit team (i.e. concern with a rigid and overly-structured curriculum).
A new Dean has been assigned, and they may combine into 1 school with the Food & Nutrition Department, which has occurred at other Canadian universities.
UNBC – Staffan Lindgren (see attached notes)
Reduced intake due in part to fewer Technology graduate transfers. (Possibly going to work in a fairly hot job market?)
New $500 scholarship for Technology grads coming to UNBC (based on their GPA).
New President for UNBC as of July 1/06.
Kathy Lewis new Chair as of July 1/06.
CFAB accreditation visit to evaluate the forestry program was done in February, and the report should be available in late summer-early fall of 2006.
Aleza Lake Research Forest new 5-year Management Plan approved (UNBC / UBC joint participation).
Natural Resources and Environmental Studies Institute set up. University-wide membership. Focuses on promotion of interdisciplinary research and provides a home for NRES graduate degrees.
FRBC sponsored a ‘Scholarships Endowment Fund’, which was maintained by Credit Union Central (Vancouver). Tom Hedekar enquired as to the whereabouts of the funds or if it has been continued with FIA (unknown to Committee).
Next Year’s Meeting
Selkirk College to host; suggested Crawford Bay to be the location.
Date to be June 5 – 6 /07 (Tues & Wed).
Motion to include a golf game and/or field trip component (Candace P.)
Michel Vallee has served for 6 years, and is to be congratulated on an outstanding effort as the Chair.
Peter Barss accepts the Chair of the Articulation Committee by acclamation.
Recommend not combining the Host and Chair duties due to significant workload to prepare during final exams and marks meetings.
To limit the term of Articulation Committee Chair to 3 years
Moved by Ed Morrice, Seconded by Greg Lay
To end the 2006 Articulation Committee meeting.
Meeting Adjourned at 4:30 pm
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